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The earliest he could possibly have been born is 1976. Not exactly able to go clubbing during 1980-1989.
"I'm in my 40s and wasn't old enough to experience the 1980s gay social scene, but I feel confident in saying trans people weren't there!"
What a loser.
I'm in my 40s and don't remember the Carter Administration.
friendly reminder that THAT HISTORY IS NOT TAUGHT IN AMERICAN SCHOOLS.
It is literally banned to teach about LGBT topics where I go to school. I was never taught about stonewall at all. Typing this (technically illegally using my phone) in my Gov and Econ senior class.
It's more that what's taught in American schools varies wildly between states, as it's generally left up to them to determine agendas individually. And schools and even individual teachers are going to choose for themselves how deeply things get covered.
For me, LGBT involvement was at least acknowledged when we covered the history of the Civil Rights movement. We were also shown a biographical film on the start of the AIDs epidemic when discussing viruses in biology. It made victims look very sympathetic, while the politicians that were uninterested in stopping the spread until it started affecting people outside of gay communities were rightfully depicted as villains. It probably came up in health classes too, but I don't remember anything distinctly.
I guess the Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975) was just in my imagination then. What a dingus.
Christine Jorgensen wasn't real either.
Was that trans or cross dressing though? Honest question.
lemme ask the sweet transvestite from transexual Transylvania
I don't remember the transsexual transylvania line so that would explain it
It's a whole song, one of my favorites. Go listen!
"I was sucking trans cock in 72" is a great t-shirt idea
that's the most based thing a boomer has ever said
Trans women literally stood side by side with gay people and rioted in the 80’s….
Wendy Carlos.
Who self-erased by refusing digital distribution :(
And who notably doesn’t want to be seen through the lens of being trans, but rather through her work. Can’t blame her given her treatment at the hands of the press in the past.
So the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft didn't exist and wasn't attacked and burned by the Nazis in 1933?
Trans movements are much older than transphobes think they are.
Women have been wanting comparable rights to men since before written history, yet most people would say the women's suffrage movement started in the mid 1800s. The original user wasn't saying trans people didn't exist until recently, they were likely saying there wasn't previously any serious effort at accepting them in (American? Western?) society, or at least no where near the magnitude as today. Basic public tolerance may not be good, but it is much better than even just a decade or two before.
Paris is Burning isn't a film I had heard about before, probably because it's older than me and I haven't been paying attention to queer spaces long. And if that user is 45 now, they would be about 10 when it released. Pretty reasonable to not have it on their radar considering it is R rated. Still, they shouldn't assume trans communities didn't exist just because they were not aware of any back then. That's just a mistake.
That's one way to shut someone up, lol
In soviet america cocks suck you
Kinda sad that's how Richard found out he has dementia
There were literally trans women at Stonewall throwing the first bricks
Some folks just don't know their history
Maybe they hit him with one and that why he's so stupid.
Tbf, maybe Stonewall isn't Richards history, as he may not be from the US
That still wouldn't excuse him from accusing others of lying.
Yeah, definitely, he is an idiot. But Stonewall often doesn't even get taught in the US and i imagine much less in other countries.
I mean I grew up in Germany. And I only learnt about 'my' gay history because I was interested in it. No mention of it during my time in school.
You know, WW2 is basically everywhere in the curriculum for us, but never once was mentioned that the books they burned before that were in big parts about sexuality & gender researched in Berlin by Magnus Hirschfeld. Berlin was quite liberal (no surprise now, but historically it was monumental) in that regard, but so was Bavaria (thanks to french influence). [For our American readers: our Bavaria is similar to your Texas in mentality and association with the whole country as a whole. ] Or that when the concentration camps were 'freed' that they did not free the 'unnatural' marked by the pink triangles. And then the gay history splits between east and west and for quite some time the east is actually ahead in terms of equality. And that with the reunification some young couples unknowingly broke the law, as age of consent differed between east and west.
Hell, the only time 'the gays' were mentioned in school was during an STI workshop where prevention and healthy relationships was not part of it, but that we should still treat infected people with basic decency. That was around 2010.
The Kinks released Lola, a song about a trans woman, in 1970
I just read the lyrics and it doesn't seem that positive. Am I wrong? It contains for example this line:
Well, I'm not the world's most masculine man
But I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a man
And so is Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
It's just because the way we understand transgender people has changed a lot in the last 50 years. Ultimately the guy accepts Lola for who she is, so I don't see how that can be considered bad, especially when the band has said for decades that they wrote the song to give trans people perception in the public eye.
Ray doesn’t really cuss Lola - he’s just a bit surprised / disappointed that the pretty girl is… not physically a girl. It was probably a bit of an eye opener for a dude that only left home a week before. That’s how I’ve always understood it…
For a guy in 1970 it’s pretty accepting I reckon.
Not sure if the point is positive representation so much as representation, since in the original image the guy seems to be saying trans people simply didn't exist in the 80s
It isn’t very positive, that’s for sure. But it is historical evidence that trans people have existed before 2020
Swiftly followed by Bowie releasing Queen Bitch in 1971 and Lou Reed releasing Take A Walk on The Wild Side in 1972.
Bowie and Reed were both heavily involved in the New York drag scene at the time.
Lou Reed also wrote Candy Says with the Velvet Underground about Candy Darling's desire to escape her gender assigned at birth.
Good shout. I'd also argue there's basically no way to read Bowie's Rebel Rebel that isn't about gender fuckery of some kind. I'd argue very strongly that it's an AMAB character presenting femme.
The cover by the band Ripe is absolutely amazing.
There have always been trans people, there just hasn't been any trans visibility or acceptance. For a long time, and even still to some extent, presenting as anything other than cishet was very dangerous.
Absolutely! Though the common usage of transgender or purely trans are more modern - it was usually referred to incorrectly or derogatory as transsexual or travestite which now are being reclaimed.
I believe for stonewall it was reported as drag queens at the time, very much in line with your visibility and acceptance comment.
If he's in his 40s how does he remember the 80s? Absolute troll.
Also the 80s were one giant androgynous trend.
Absolute fucking king shit, Ken. No notes 🫡