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[–] [email protected] 127 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] gigachad 79 points 1 week ago (2 children)

eating flour straight form the bag lol

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Who the hell is rawdogging their flour??

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

A bit of raw flour dusting on my cake.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

If that's not love, I dont know what is

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why flour and not powder sugar?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

For that genuine e coli taste.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Hahahaha that's awesome

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Don't yuck someone else's yum!

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Crying laughing so hard at this lmao

[–] sbv 16 points 1 week ago

All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's not just salmonella from the egg, it's also e coli from the raw flour.

If you want to make yourself cookie dough, remember to bake loose flour for a bit first to kill any microbes in that, too.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You can tank both of those things. You might get sick but they probably wont kill you if you're lucky. Cookie dough should have some risk, its the only way to balance it.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I was initially mad at this comment but you're right. Cookie dough is too good. Literally an OP food. The fear of shitting your guts out is the only thing stopping a somewhat reasonable person like me from eating a whole pound of it.

[–] jballs 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's just the universe's way of maintaining balance. Kind of like when humanity invented Olestra and the universe said "ok that's fine, but if you eat a bag of Doritos your ass is going to leak."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I remember there being a comedy site back when olestra was a thing where some dude decided to test how much he'd have to eat before basically shitting himself inside out. He essentially journaled gradually increasing amounts for like a week and a half. If memory serves, it was roughly one whole bag of chips in a day before symptoms began and 2 bags before he hit full on ass leakage.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

And use unsweetened applesauce instead of eggs! If you get the cheap, bland stuff there's no difference in flavor, and no risk from uncooked eggs!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

though home methods of making the raw flour edible is often inconsistent in terms of how safe it makes the flour, the best practice is to buy cookie dough made to be edible raw, rather than rely on your half-baked attempt at making raw flour edible 😅 (source)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

While some recipes suggest DIY methods to “heat-treat” flour at home, such as baking it in the oven or microwaving it, these methods are inconsistent and may not effectively eliminate all pathogens, including Salmonella, which is particularly heat-resistant in low-moisture foods like flour.

https://wpcdn.web.wsu.edu/wp-labs/uploads/sites/1254/2024/01/FSM-Developing-Thermal-Control-of-Salmonella-in-Low-Moisture-Foods-Using-Predictive-Models-Clean-PDF-Version.pdf

To pasteurize wheat flour (e.g., in 5-lb bags) with different moisture contents (e.g., 11.6 percent and 14.5 percent) using an RF heating process (volumetric heating), the holding time required at a specific target temperature can be predicted by measuring or calculating the high-temperature water activities of the flour samples, and then determining their corresponding D-values for Salmonella. In this case, calculations indicate that the water activities at room temperature for the two batches of flour are 0.43 and 0.64, which would increase to 0.69 and 0.82, respectively, at 80°C. According to the equation shown in Figure 4, the D80 values of Salmonella at these water activity levels are 3.2 and 1.2 minutes, respectively. To achieve a 5-log reduction, the two flour batches must be held at 80 °C for 16 and 6 minutes, respectively.

I think the issue here is not that you can't pasteurize flour yourself, but that many DIY tutorials are dangerous and they should be regulated.

Also it takes a very long time to heat raw flour and it hardly seems worth the effort. Just make oat flour from rolled oats. You're eating the dough raw, so what do you need egg or gluten for in the first place?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Protip: do NOT use convection when baking loose flour . If you're going to eat it raw you don't need to use eggs at all (you shouldn't, they don't add any flavour you want here, and are only added to cookies for their protein which helps it set when cooked).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Oh yeah flour is flammable as hell lol. try not to set your kitchen on fire

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (9 children)

You can make your own edible cooking dough. You just have to pasteurize the eggs and flour. If I'm not mistaken, I think the flour is more dangerous than the eggs.

There are even shops which sell edible cookie dough pre-made if you'd prefer the convenience.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wait what

What's going on with the flour? Fungus?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

You're not going to like this, but the answer is rat poop. Before it's packaged it's often stored in large open piles in warehouses.

[–] Gullible 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just skip the eggs entirely for a longer shelf life and more delicious, nutritious butter in your health food.

But it’s more work to make edible cookie dough than cookies, and edible cookie dough has a shorter shelf life, so I personally don’t understand the appeal.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Eggs are hermetically sealed. As long as they aren't covered in bird shit when you handle them, pasteurization is not needed.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

I would at least rinse off the egg shell before cracking, personally, and when I make raw cookie dough to serve to others, I make sure I follow all food handling best practices since I'd be horrified to give someone food poisoning, as unlikely as it may be.

There's also this:

While most bacteria including Salmonella are found on the shell itself, Salmonella can sometimes get inside an egg or it can already be inside an egg when it is laid.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/meat-poultry-fish-seafood-safety/eggs.html

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

*unless you are American and your retail eggs must be washed legally, thereby having their protective coating removed.

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[–] werty 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I don't know how people make cakes and cookies witbout eating it raw. It seems to be an american thing. Am I the only Australian eating cake batter and cookie dough?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

As a kid I often got to lick the Mixmaster beaters when Mum was making biscuits or a cake.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I have never known anyone to get sick but my possibly not-quite-accurate understanding suggests this may be more of a North American thing because we blast our eggs with chemicals that weaken the shell. While the idea is to kill the salmonella, it also can allow it to permeate the shell and infect the egg, making the chance of getting sick from poorly handled uncooked eggs higher if they have not been kept refrigerated.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

If you're making it from scratch (with vaccinated chicken's eggs) and eating it right away, the risk of contamination is very low. It's industrial mixes and old (or poorly handled) mix that are a problem.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/flour-raw-food-and-other-safety-facts

https://www.cdc.gov/food-safety/foods/no-raw-dough.html

Yes, people have gotten sick from Salmonella and E. coli from eating raw flour.

In a flour recall that happened in March 2023, 14 people got sick with 3 hospitalizations.

Here were some others:

  • 2021, cake mix recall that led to 16 sick and 7 hospitalized
  • 2019, flour recall that led to 21 sick and 3 hospitalizations
  • 2016, flour recall that led to 63 sick and 17 hospitalizations

Flour is one of the top ten foods that cause illnesses (source).

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Yeah I did once, like when I was 8. I don't recommend it, vomitting and shitting sucks a lot.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Sounds like a USA problem.

Come to Germany, here you can even eat raw pork! It's called Met and it's delicous.

[–] gigachad 18 points 1 week ago

The Bundesinstitut für Risikoforschung (BfR) recommends to not eat raw dough, not because of salmonella but E. Coli and EHEC. Check out this publication: https://www.bfr.bund.de/cm/429/010_stec_ehec-infektionen_durch_rohen_teig.pdf

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A few years back, there was a major salmonella outbreak from eating raw cookie dough. Several people died, but most recovered, although i recall one woman who had lots of complications, and will never be right again.

Don't eat raw commetcial cookie dough, unless you made it yourself.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

According to an announcement by the U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA), nearly 30,000 cases of cookie dough are being recalled due to potential Salmonella contamination. Though the recall was initiated on May 2, 2024, it remains ongoing.

The Rise Baking Company (under its subsidiary, South Coast Baking) is voluntarily recalling cases of cookie dough shipped across the nation. The recall includes eight different products sold at Costco, Sam's Club, and Panera Bread, among others.

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