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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Pretty good project, but is it the future to have mainly web apps?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 minutes ago

It’s definitely been the direction of travel for the last several years. Not because the products are better, but because it’s easier to develop for just the browser than for Mac, Windows, and Linux.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Just checked the part about self-hosting. While it's probably possible to handle things with a less heavy approach, their only "easy to use" example right now is to have a full-blown kubernetes cluster at hand or run locally in the source directory. That's a bit much.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 39 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago)

In the README there's also instructions for Docker Compose, although it's quite the compose file, with SIXTEEN containers defined. Not something I'd want to self-host.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 minutes ago

Please develop this self hosted version using sandstorm

It makes hosting a breeze with one click installation

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly, k8s is super easy and very lightweight to run locally if you know the rights tools. There are a few good options but I prefer k3d. I can install Docker/k3d and also build a local cluster running in maybe 2 minutes. It’s excellent for local dev. Even good for production in some niche scenarios

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 minutes ago

Seconding k3d (and, by extension, k3s). If you're in a market for sth suitable for more upstream-compliant clustering solution (k3s uses SQLite instead of etcd, iirc), RKE2 is also a great choice

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

What was wrong with libre?

[–] turnip 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The web browser is the future, especially for a crappy document editor and spread sheet.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 18 minutes ago (1 children)

Then just use Word online.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 minutes ago

Not FOSS and probably not privacy friendly

[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty sure Libre only does local document collaboration, having it online is helpful for teams far from each other or who simply don't have the infrastructure for their own central server of this kind.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Well this has been running in our Nextcloud and works pretty well collaboratively :) https://github.com/CollaboraOnline/online not sure how it scales, but definitely an alternative that can be built on

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks for this; I may use it to build out my NextCloud server. I’ve already used it to replace shared calendars and contacts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

If you're using Nextcloud All In One then it's easy to enable it in the AIO settings.

If you're not, I suggest looking into it. It's the new officially recommended way of installing and it's been great.

Nextcloud has an export/import data function but at the time I did it I only had a few GB of data so not sure how well it scales.

[–] kambusha 43 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Surprised they didn't go with cryptpad - aren't they already French?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 31 minutes ago

Fuck :( Didn't know that... I got convinced by the company being supposedly Latvian.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 hours ago

Yes, that's excellent.. We need our own Google suite. Fingers crossed so that it may come eventually.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 hours ago

Great news!

This is probably the last hump for me before I can completely degoogle.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Nice. Where is the source, on github (I didn't see it but I only skimmed)? Federated? Self-hostable?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

From briefly looking over the toot, I think the German version is called openDesk (bad choice as there seems to be some interior design software with the same name) there is a community version you can self host in a docker container. They apparently also have distro packages for Debian and Ubuntu but they seem to have stopped development on those.

Here's a link: https://opendesk.eu/en/

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 hours ago

openDesk is a complete suite of open source software. I guess Docs could at some point become a part of it. But it‘s not the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Github: https://github.com/suitenumerique/docs

Self-hostable, but it seems like an absolute behemoth of an application if their "non-production-use-only" docker-compose file is to be believed, and I couldn't find any production-ready deployment instructions on a quick skim. No obvious signs of federation and I didn't see anything on their roadmap, not sure it would make a lot of sense for this though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago

Deployment instructions start with the prerequisite that you have a full kubernetes cluster with ingress laying around, so… yeah. It looks like it'll be on the heavy side.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 hours ago

https://github.com/suitenumerique/docs

Self-hostable, needs Minio (or any S3 compatible system).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

I got a kick out of Google Docs alternative since it is trying to be AnyType, AFFiNE, AppFlowy, etc and none of those editors are stupid enough to claim to be Google Docs alternatives nor are they a bloated mess. Proof is in the pudding though... Try putting 1 inch margins on a page & add tab stops with this & printing it out where you get the same results.. oh wait, you can't... Cause it isn't a Google Docs alternative.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

None of those tools are editors, right? They all try to be a notion alternative, which is also not an editor. There is basically 0 focus on typesetting.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I disagree. There's Microsoft Office, and there's everything else. Google is in that second bucket.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago

There's Libre office for those who like freedom and open source tech.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

Depends on who you hang with. Pretty much all businesses at this point do collaboration either with Office 365 or with Google Docs, and the same in Academia. Usually it’s a mix of both.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That is fine to have that opinion but it is irrelevant to the discussion since no where did I praise Google Docs. I'm just explaining the difference between this & and editor that does descent typesetting.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

And an editor that does a decent job is not google docs.

It is embarassing that MS has dominated this for more than 30 years and Google, despite its infinite wealth, hasn't made a decent office app.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I wholeheartedly agree with this opinion. Google Docs has done very little to innovate. The fact that you're still limited to like 6 built-in styles & lack of integrated syntax highlighting is ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Google Docs has done very little to innovate.

The place where I see Google Docs being far superior to any other product I've run into is collaborative work. Having multiple people writing in the same doc at the simultaneously is a train wreck in most products Office365 included. In other products there's a good chance you'll have a version conflict and someone's changes will be lost. Google docs handles that with ease.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 minutes ago

I have been using collaboration with Microsoft products for decades with little issue. I first started in college in 2006 with Onenote and it worked well even then. googol is garbage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I love the docs ability to create databases from my docs. That would be super useful for work and research activities.

[–] pastermil 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, you mean a spreadsheet?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

No, because with the above you can have rich objects in databases (for example, a dynamically updated list of medical events, each with all the attributes I want, attachments etc.), and almost arbitrarily deep nesting of databases. The idea to have databases with pages is one of the key features that made notion successful. It allows to structure knowledge without duplication, in addition to provide some other no-code features.

Spreadsheets are not even close.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

ZenDiS is awesome by the way.