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You know, DOGE, fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored. Is there any way out of that or is it over? Is the USA done?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So, in the best case scenario, the US as we know it is done and, after a hard fall and hitting rock bottom, will emerge as a country that is less of a capitalist hellhole. Ideally, in the process, other countries will find more independence from the USA, be it trade wise or security wise.

The more realistic scenario is that everything will stay the same/similar and just get slightly worse all the time but every other country will still suck up to the USA and everything gets a little worse. Oh yeah and climate change will fuck everyone up the ass.

The worst case scenario, I would argue, is that this ends in the destruction of the world via nuclear war within less than an hour. This is what I am scared of the most.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

We're cooked fam. Can't wait for the reboot.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Whether it's now or later, life has to get a lot worse before it gets better. People will have to feel a lot more pain than they're feeling now before they do more than bitch and moan online.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

Yes but we should still make them pay for every inch they take.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (8 children)

We're on the way down. The Right in this country (well, really, everywhere, but it's more maniacal here) are growing more unhinged. The Dems keep pulling to the right as a result (since at least the 80s). The overtone window keeps shifting. We're absolutely fucked.

William F Buckley was a major source of inspiration for the Right for decades. I recently watched his debate with James Baldwin at Cambridge in 1965. He argued racist points about Black single moms, but he tried to sound compassionate and denounced racism. He hid his racism in plain sight but sounded educated. There's nothing like that now. "They're eating the dogs."

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (5 children)

100% cooked bruh. Get the fuck out while you can if you here.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

We are about to become a cautionary tale other countries use to warn eachother not to go too hard into capitalism

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

I believe the US is a failed state. trump just decided that himself and his AG are the only people who can decide which laws apply to the executive, and ordered the termination of all remaining Biden era US Attorneys. I know we've been saying this a lot lately, but it feels like a mask off moment.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

We been screwed for decades; all the minor plot threads, foreshadowing, and chekhov's implements are all just coalescing at the same time for one last grand finale.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

its been screwed since OBAMA was president, conservatives including poc cant get over the fact they had a half-AA as a president. ever since putin and the gop have been riding on racism and sexism as thier key election goals, and only recently anti-lgbtq+

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

There is saying things, there is not doing things, and there is doing things.

Trump could say: "What if there was one day where there was no laws and people could just do anything, like the purge..." and... oh, he did say that during his first term. And democracy still survived. Saying things just make people loose respect for America. It is why Obama got the Nobel peace prize. Cause he stopped saying the shit that Bush was saying.

What people should be worried about is actions and inactions. It takes competency to do things. The more fascist a thing Trump wants to do, the more competent people leave and the less likely it is to be done. The true problem is it takes no level of competency to not do a thing.

So Trump's end game is "Ask not what your country can do for you ... because it can no longer do that."

[–] zqps 16 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately he's following the playbook of people who do know how to do things and accomplish goals. And they were much better prepared this time than in 2016.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes. How much and for how long is the real questions, luckily I live in CA and if the country dissolves we'll just do everything ourselves. In fact, We'll be better off as we provide 60% of the US tax revenue, and we get noting close to that in return.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm really hoping that Churchill's quote about Americans doing the right thing is evergreen, because this first month (!!!!) of Trump has been A LOT.

I feel like we're really close to having tried every alternative by now, right?...right?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Yes and and beyond screwed.

[–] southsamurai 12 points 2 months ago

Not necessarily.

There are still legal routes, the chances of congress not laying down on the job, etc.

Then, you've got the first line of citizen action, protests and non violent direct action combined with people helping each other until the legal stuff has a chance to work.

Beyond that, right now, across the country, small groups are trying to organize. Most of them as a form of more assertive resistance and/or a safety net for trans people, immigrants, and other targets of the current administration.

There are also smaller groups than that organizing for the possibility of having to fight.

That does include people just as batshit as the more rabid right wing, but most of them are less eager than the crazies to get involved in an asymmetric civil war. So they aren't very visible.

But there are people working at all levels to resist and turn things around.

The way out is for everyone that can to be ready. To take risks to protect each other, and to do what they can when they can.

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