This whole thing is extremely cringe. There isn’t any other way to put it. Trump. His executive order. The compliance. It’s all cringe.
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Interesting discussion about this on the OpenStreetMap forums.
The resolution is introducing "official_name" tags, referencing "en_us", because "en" is not just the U.S.:
https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/gulf-of-america-gulf-of-mexico/124571/11
So when OsmAnd or OrganicMaps start to support them, maybe your locale settings will change the displayed name there as well.
Current description of that node: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/305639190/history/80
So maybe that could be a reason for everyone around the world to stop using en_US locale settings. XD
bing still shows correctly for me.
Time for a repeat comment: Organic Maps does everything Google Maps does (except traffic conditions), and is FOSS. Please encourage places to contribute business information to Open Street Maps.
I'm all for swapping apps, but Organic Maps doesn't even have my home address. And I live in a major metropolitan area.
Add it to OSM?
I use Google maps mostly to find out where things are, and unfortunately OSM does not have as many places as Google Maps. I can add one or two places I notice are missing (even though the phone interface isn't that easy) but Google Maps consistently has better information, so I mostly use organic maps for when I already know the address or already know the location is in its database.
Just swapped apps. Thanks for the suggestion!
Also, report an error to google maps:
It reads: I read "Gulf of America". That must be a mistake.
I can't seem to do this from the phone app
Obviously that's not going to make one iota of difference. They're an American company and they have been ordered by the president of the country to do this. They already do similar things in other authoritarian countries like China and Turkey, because anything else would risk the safety of Google employees.
If you don't like it, change to a non-American product and/or vote for a different president.
The American president can only order so much. As of yesterday, the BGN has changed the name, but this affects Federal Government usage. Google as a private company could continue to use the common name if they wanted to.
This is why Open Street Maps has a "name" field and "official name" field, for where these two aren't the same. This is already the case for the English names "Saigon" and "Ho Chi Minh City" which refer to the same place in Vietnam.
I'm currently in France, this is what I see on Google maps
Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)
What a f*cking joke 😂
Maps.me shows the real name
As does mappy.cz
I'm in Canada, and Google maps shows me the same as what you are seeing.
I'm gonna start creating new pubs, bars and so on, everywhere I go, and call them Trump's Mexican Deli, Donnie & Elon's vacancy hotel, and so on. Please contribute (use an alternative google account)
I’m in the process of migrating my saved locations and addresses to Organic Maps. Bye Google.
Cool.
In not at all related news disabling Google maps on your Android device can often be a source of delight! I never knew how capable organic maps was and it has a very nice auto integration.
That's a weird flex by South Canada.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
This is the way.
And you'll see Amerida right at the bottom of the picture, that's the capital of Floricatan in the country of America..... Have you guys noticed how our country's name is not America? I would be a fucking retard if I named something "of America" when my country's name isn't America. As an example, all Mexican coins say "estados unidos mexicanos" or something like that. But the country is Mexico. Mexico is in America, but they don't say "mexico of America", because they are not fucking retarded.
What a great time to download Organic maps
How does it compare to OsmAnd?
Also a great choice. I prefer organic maps for a variety of reasons (like ability to contribute to the maps), but a lot of people prefer OsmAnd. They are both very good.
I love that it's not google, and the UI is nice, but the lack of realtime traffic info is a real blocker for me
You might be interested in Magic Earth it is also built on OpenStreetMap but includes crowdsourced traffic data. If you are in a big city then it's likely they have good data for your area.
is there a web version?
It’s a massive upgrade in terms of aesthetics and privacy!
The change reflects Google's policy of adhering to official government names for geographical locations.
OK, so why am I seeing Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America) from Canada?
Same here in Europe.
This is highly irregular for several reasons:
Google adheres to official government positions, yes, but as far as I'm aware the American government hasn't made the name change official yet. Members of the government have said that they'd do this, but I don't think this idea has passed any process yet. So then why is Google "updated" their maps?
When Google adheres to official government positions, they are local. In example, when you're in China and look up Taiwan, it'll appear as part of China. In other countries it'll appear as either an independent country or a disputed territory, depending on that government's official position on the matter. What we DON'T see is something like "Taiwan (China)", as Google supposedly has no intention on forcing the policies of one government upon another government, and as far as I'm aware the rest of the world hasn't agreed to changing The Gulf of Mexico to The Gulf of America.
If anyone's interested, here's what it looks like in Europe. The good news: this is the first time I've had to use Google Maps in a loooong time (ignoring embedded maps in other sites). OpenStreetMap is wonderful and there are some superb apps powered by it, including the ever-excellent Organic Maps.
From the Wikipedia for Gulf of Mexico:
While the Interior Department confirmed that the Gulf of America name was effective for U.S. federal agencies, on January 24, the change does not apply in an international context.
If Justin Trudeau gets active on this, you can probably get it to Gulf of Canada (Gulf of Mexico) (Gulf of America).
What the fuck is this shit?
Expect in the near future:
Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America) (Gulf of CUM)
Greenland (New Alaska) (New Siberia)
Gaza Strip (New Houston)
Falkland Islands (Las Islas Españolas) (Les Îles Napoléon)
Antarctica (American Liberty Glacier)
(viewed from Canada)
Same in Europe
Same in a little bit to your west Europe.
Send a complaint through the site. Flood them with complaints about how they are an evil corporation licking Trump's boot and that it's the Gulf of Mexico.
Don't let these damn corporations win.
You do you, but that is literally yelling at a cloud.
Stop using Google services altogether, delete your accounts. Block ads. That's the only way to cost them some pennies.
Huh, do they really change names of international things when only one party says so?
Denali/McKinely is one thing, it's part of the US. But the Gulf of Mexico is a mix of US, Mexico, Cuba, and international waters. I wonder what they show Google Maps users who are in Mexico.
I found this paragraph...
Can Trump change the name of the Gulf of Mexico? Maybe, but it’s not a unilateral decision, and other countries don’t have to go along. The International Hydrographic Organization — of which both the US and Mexico are members — works to ensure all the world’s seas, oceans and navigable waters are surveyed and charted uniformly, and also names some of them. There are instances where countries refer to the same body of water or landmark by different names in their own documentation.
From this webpage... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/can-trump-change-the-name-of-the-gulf-of-mexico-to-gulf-of-america
They have clear rules for contested areas... that they follow in an as clear way as their user support rules.
What's that sucking sound?
Had to check.
Slowly working towards a viable OpenStreetMap in my area. If you want to help, you can make a free account and begin editing: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/new
You can also contribute on mobile by using Street Complete or any number of great mobile apps that allow limited editing and full map features like Organic Maps
Edit: I didn't know about Vespucci, which is a full-featured OSM editor for Android. Thanks, @[email protected]
Also be sure to check out [email protected]
Street Complete is amazing! Perfect for people who find going on a walk too boring, like me
Recently began contributing to OpenStreetMap. Information on my place is quite outdated, lots of work to do!
Apple still has it as Gulf of Mexico.
Apple Maps currently shows it as Gulf of Mexico, fwiw.