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Which season should one with no prior knowledge of star trek start from? (lemmy.world)
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I heard about the whole thing being kind of uplifting. Something about a hopefull view of society.

Which season should one with no prior knowledge of star trek start from?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

If you like b5, then DS9. Long drawn out story, more character evolution, more shades of grey.

If you like the orville, then tng, be prepared for early installment weirdness, it literally coined the phrase "grew the beard" because its levelling up coincided with Riker growing one. Lower decks also works

If you're experienced with 60's stuff like Man from U.N.C.L.E, tos will do.

If you're a 90's kid, ENT

If you're a 00's kid, SNW. Lower decks also works

Voyager is for more experienced trekkers, but they do batshit like no other

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago

This thread is basically useless to OP as almost every single comment or has a different suggestion πŸ˜‚

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Probably TNG season 1

It was the first Trek in years after TOS, and it had to basically re-introduce everything that later series build upon.

My dirty secret is that I've never seen TOS more than a few episodes, clips, or summaries of the higher-profile episodes. Didn't get into Trek until long after TNG was off the air, and don't know if I could sit through the dated production quality of TOS (nothing against it; it was a product of its time and budget).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

A great way to watch TOS is to read about the show and the real life historical context of when they were produced. The US was deep into the war in Vietnam at the time and the show was airing episodes questioning the idea of regional power struggles, asking questions about racism, sexism and religion when people were matching in the streets with MLK.

TOS can be a bit slow because the way they produced the show back then was like a stage play with a captive audience. So it just means you get quite a bit of time during the show to read up on things and trivia while watching they program.

We're taking our time watching TOS because there are only a limited number of episodes but for many episodes it's really interesting to learn more about the time period they were produced and aired.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

First couple seasons of TNG were pretty rough. If someone told me the first episode of something I should love was "Encounter at Farpoint", I think I'd drop the show after the first episode.

I'm going to suggest something different: Enterprise Season 1 Episode 1.

A new watcher would be on nearly equal footing with the crew in discovering the galaxy beyond Earth. Many of the same frustrations about being held back or being naively altruistic would be genuine human responses new viewers could identify with.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think Encounter at Farpoint is important for that hopeful view of the future that OP is looking for. It establishes what the Federation is as a power in the Alpha Quadrant, and also gives a nice basic moral hurdle for them to overcome. Plus, seeing Q's first appearance is kinda necessary imo

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Fair point on both. ENT does get a lot less "optimistic" as it enters the "war on terror" seasons, though, but the first season for sure.

Re: TNG S1

I didn't hate "Encounter at Farpoint" and it definitely wouldn't have turned me off to the series. "Code of Honor" though is one I routinely skip.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Responding to your edit:

Didn’t get into Trek until long after TNG was off the air, and don’t know if I could sit through the dated production quality of TOS (nothing against it; it was a product of its time and budget).

Some years back the production company replaced all the exterior physical model shots with pretty tasteful CGI. They also cleaned up the image quality and sound of the live action. It was a gentle but successful attempt at addressing some of those production value concerns you have. However, it does nothing for the inherent misogyny in the stories or costume design. I don't have much of a problem with that because it was progressive for its time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Joking answer: Star Trek: The Next Generation season 1, but skip all episodes except "Code of Honor", which is the "best" in the franchise.

Serious Answer: DS9 season 1. Although it's less hopeful than the typical Trek in many senses, I think it still has that Trekian sense of ethics about it. Also, the characters are great, and the first season is much more watchable than TNG season 1.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

The Next Generation Season 3

Season 2 has some really good episodes (measure of a man), but also has a weak start, and Season 1 is pretty ehhhh...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I think it boils down to what kind of TV you want to watch in general, because almost all Star Trek is good Star Trek, but the shows are very much products of their time

So, do you want 60s adventure of the week where you really get into the origins of the franchise? -> Original Series seasons 1-2

80s/90s vision of a future where we have really learnt to better ourselves? -> The Next Generation Season 3 onwards (and any highly rated season 1 or 2 episodes)

A new take on Star Trek that keeps the hope and adventure, with modern special effects and episodes still in production / coming out? -> Strange New Worlds starting at the very beginning

The other shows are good too, but for someone specifically looking for a hopeful iteration of Star Trek, I'd recommend the above three

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It really honestly depends on what you want in a show. While TNG is fantastic, I'd actually recommend Strange New Worlds. It has a little of something everyone could want in a show in general while setting you up for all of the rest since it is a prequel to all of the other shows.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

While I adore classic Trek, I agree that Strange New Worlds is the best modern entry point for a new fan.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I'd third this for someone who might be a bit skittish about watching 80's-90's TV like TNG.

SNW showcases the spirit of old trek unlike Discovery.

But if one likes the style of 80's-90's scifi, then def TNG.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

I think Strange New Worlds could be a good start for someone entirely new to the franchise. Not too dark, a lot of vibes from the The Original Series and solid cast / writing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You start with the original trilogy and then-

Wait, what are we talking about?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Get out

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I will be getting out.

And I will be wearing one of my favorite shirts when I do it!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I... I need this.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

I agree with the others saying start with TNG season 1. Just know, some of the episodes are rough. They took a little while to find their feet. Check episode ratings on review sites, if you want to avoid the bad ones.

I've recently started getting a friend into Trek myself. They're more into DS9, because they've been seeing memes about the Bell Riots, so we've been taking it slow on the other series. We decided to do a Best Of for TNG to begin with. So far, we watched episodes 1 and 2, Encounter at Farpoint, as well as episode 12, Datalore. Then we skipped straight to season 2, and watched episodes 3, 8, 9, 16, and 21. We also watched episode 16, Samaritan Snare, but only because it's relevant to Star Trek: Lower Decks lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Strange New Worlds season 1. A lot of Trek series have a rough first season. SNW seems to have avoided this curse and hit the ground running.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

TNG but work off a recommend list instead of watching every one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Opinion: if you go in chronological order, the age and quality will progress nicely, rather than jumping all around if you start with one then go back and do that sort of thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I started with Lower Decks, then TNG, DS9, VOY and just today watched the first episode of Enterprise.

From that experience I'd say start with TNG. It's really what I expected Star Trek to be.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

If you're looking for the hopeful view of humanity's future, I'd start with Season 3 of The Next Generation. It has that in spades, while also skipping over the first two seasons where it is really trying to find its footing. If you really like it and want to see how it all started, go back and watch the first two seasons.

If you like TNG and want a more character-driven experience that doesn't focus nearly as much on exploration, Deep Space Nine is fantastic. Just like TNG, the first two seasons are kind of rough as they try to figure things out. They're also a fair bit slower (some call them dull) than the later seasons, but if you like character and world building, they're pretty decent. It really gains steam with season 3.

If you want to continue the theme of exploration, Star Trek Voyager is good. I don't enjoy it as much as TNG and DS9, but Voyager has the advantage of the show runners and writers having fully figured out what life is like in that time period without the stumbles of the first two series. I'd say it remains fairly consistent throughout, but I personally don't find that its highs are as high as TNG and DS9.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'd say TOS, season 2 I think it is, when they did away with the annoying and unnecessary squeaky beep boop background noises of the ship's computers and stuff. I really hated that annoying sound.

But if you're not a fan of TOS, I'd say TNG, season 1.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

TOS, although I'd start with season 1.

My friend best described it as "The US Navy, in space." It's definitely progressive, although you have to consider it was made in the 60s, and while there are women officers, it's still a male-centric show, with women swooning over Kirk in a sort of James Bond way. Still, there's a black, female officer on the bridge, and her job is arguable more commanding than, say, whichever ensign is manning the weapons that day, so... they were pushing the boundaries of acceptability for 1966 broadcast television. Basically, mankind is making progress, but the show still has to appeal to American public.

TNG has less of the swooning, and more equality for women. It ran for longer, and there's a fair amount of dark and ugly later in the series; IMHO, the later seasons lose much of the optimism that we're far from perfect, but generally getting better as a species and society. There are plenty of bigots in high command - which is what bothers me the most. Star Fleet is supposed to be the best of the best of us, and yet there regularly are some just awful people in high positions in Star Fleet, and it just frustrates me. It's such a step backwards. But, as I've said elsewhere, I think ST generally reflects the level of optimism of the target audience, and by the mid-90s we had G. H. W. Bush in office, and we seemed to be involved in constant conflicts - Libya, Grenada, Panama, and the highly controversial Gulf War). While we had the space shuttle flying, after the first initial rush of getting to the moon, the space program seemed to have stalled; we didn't seem to be making any progress to getting people into space. Shit, we hadn't even set foot on the moon again since TOS (the last human to set foot on the moon did so 3 years after TOS was canceled). Still, especially in the first seasons, TNG is still probably still the most optimistic of the series.

DS9 was a fantastic series, but absolutely was not optimistic. It's full of moral quandaries, questionable ethical decisions, terrorism, totalitarianism, genocide, ; of all the series, I think it encompasses all of the worst of mankind, even if it's other races doing those things. Again, Star Fleet command is not represented as "the best of the best of us" which annoys me.

Voyager... I didn't watch more than a few episodes. I really disliked the comic relief format and, TBH, most of the characters. I thought the writing was awful, in general; it started rough, but unlike TNG, it never found its groove. IMO.

And after that, I mostly ignored the seasons. In this time, there were a couple of real stinkers in the theater, too, and with the reboot... it wasn't Trek, just a leech trying to milk as much money from the fandom as possible.

I picked it back up with Lower Decks, which I consider the first true Trek in the original Roddenberry spirit, despite being an animated almost-parody. It's optimistic, Star Fleet is once again competent and staffed with reasonable, well-intentioned people. I'm not a woman, so I can't say if it achieves full equality, but it feels like it to me.

Because of LD, I tried Strange New Worlds, and found it... not awful. I have a pet peeve about the obsession about sexualizing Spock, which started with the reboot, and it's a major running plot device through SNW. Plus they've retconned the Born which is exceedingly frustrating. And in the first season they've already had two episodes with alt-reality; one fantasy, and one that's basically a musical. Usually writers don't resort to these until the show has already jumped the shark. I'll admit that I fast-forwarded through most of the musical one. I'll probably start watching season 2, but if there writers keep up with these filler plot devices, I'll probably drop it. There are some really good episodes in the first season, though.

So, to echo parent: start with TOS, and then TNG. After that, you're on your own.

Oh, PS Lower Decks is best watched after all of the others you're going to watch, because a full 40% of the fun is the show poking fun at tropes from the other series. Many of the jokes will fall flat or just go over your head if you haven't watched at least TOS and TNG.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Your degree of prior knowledge isn’t much of an issue. Every show explores its own little corner of the universe, and they all stand well enough on their own.

I’ll make an exception for Lower Decks - it’s full of referential humour that you’ll appreciate more if you’ve at least seen TNG first.

I’d say start from the beginning, unless you’re particularly uncomfortable with TV from the sixties. Most Star Trek takes a season or three to really find their groove, but TOS fires on all cylinders right out of the gate.

If you crave something more modern, Strange New Worlds is an excellent place to start, with the advantage that you can enjoy new episodes as season 3 comes out later this year.

TNG is a popular recommendation, but it’s a little dated itself, and the first season is strikingly rough around the edges.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

If you're over 40 years old, the original from 1966. Otherwise it depends on your sensibilities. If classic men with rockets boldly exploring stuff feeling is too much, TNG is the popular choice these days I think. Personally my second favourite (after TOS) is Voyager.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Start with TNG. The first season is slightly campy, but some good episodes. Season 2 gets better though skip shades of grey, it's a clip show that we don't talk about. Season 3 is when rider grows his beard and things get awesome.

Then when you're done with that you can do DS9. Its slightly darker, basically bring uplifting in times of war and has amazing episodes.

Then there is voyager. Its more uplifting again but the writing really isn't in oar with the previous two

Then there is "enterprise" which is darker again, not a very great first seasons though it gets better

Then you could do TOS but the visuals haven't really held, of course, as it's the 60-70's

Don't watch the post 2000 star trek, though, it's awful. Discovery is full of spiteful characters, cringe writing, all flashy nonsense bling bling CGI and a lot of plain hate. Star trek Picard was so horrible that it ruined TNG for me. I watched TNG and DS9 episodes multiple times per month, all my life. I watched Picard about a year ago, and I haven't watched star Trek ever since, it is THAT bad.

All the post 2000 shows have been made by people who dislike trek and only we're there to use it as a political platform (literally their words). If you want to watch modern star trek, watch "the Orville", it's made by Seth McFarlane who also plays a character in Star Trek enterprise. the guy is a huge star trek fan and wanted to make a star trek show. When he couldn't, he made the Orville and it's all that TNG is, but modern

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

TNG is the most uplifting, imho, but as the others have said, the first seasons are hit and miss.

If you can make through the fourth episode, which is widely considered one of, if not the worst, whitout wanting to quit right away, you'll bei good, it only get's better.

If not, skip ahead to season 3. Also, everything looks more modern from seasons 3 onward, if the 80s look bothers you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Which season? You mean which Star Trek, right? Do you want: 60s Technicolor and skirts; Animated not because it's for kids, but because special effects are expensive and difficult; Androids and friendly Klingons; Frontier space station; One ship alone against an entire quadrant of the galaxy; Time travel and a theme song with words; Tripping through space with the help of mushrooms; Animated, this time for kids; Star Trek, now with more heart; Star Trek: beyond retirement; Star Trek: humor will set us free?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

All these posts, and not ONE person mentioned The Animated Series. No, not that one, the older one.

It's unorthodox, sure, but it's also a pretty low stakes and less uh, of-its-time, way to enjoy some TOS before going into TOS, which is 100% where you should start.