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Early car sales data for January is starting to arrive from countries across the pond, and they paint an alarming picture for Tesla. Sales are crashing in France, Germany, and the UK—all affluent countries that are key markets for Tesla's electric vehicles. Coming on the heels of a large financial miss, it's just one more problem for the automaker.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I'm also not buying Space Internet from a Space Nazi.

[–] trollercoaster 1 points 3 minutes ago

As far as I am concerned, That space Nazi should fuck off into space yesterday.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

It's a brand I associate with Nazi supporters.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 hours ago

Keep in mind a lot of people purchased their vehicles back when Tesla actually seemed to be following their states goals, before many FSD debacles, and well before Elon's purchase of Twittera and shift to being a public Nazi.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You can safely omit the last word in your sentence.

[–] Tar_alcaran 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's the same thing, really.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Implying that there could be nazis who don’t really support white supremacist values, but are a part of the movement due to peer pressure or something?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 hours ago
[–] Tar_alcaran 12 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They're massively overpriced cars, the design quality is shit, and the "luxury" is basically zero. It's an outdated model that's now lagging years behind the competition.

Why would anyone get one, even if they didn't shout "I financially support nazism".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Simple, when I purchased my Model 3 back when it launched in 2018, I was making 150 mile trips weekly. The other available EVs either had less than 100 mile range, or were made by other brands that already make shit ICE vehicles (so why would I trust them to make good EVs with new tech) like Ford/Chevy. Or they were on the much higher end of pricing, competing against the expensive Tesla models, not the new cheaper Model 3.

There wasn't much of a middle ground, either a grocery getter like the Leaf, or expensive luxury models at $80k+. There still isn't much in the middle market honestly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

At least for Europe that's not the case any more. The US market might be different but here there's plenty of cars in the €25/30k range with 350+ km range from the traditional manufacturers. They also have established dealership networks for repairs, financing, testing, etc.

I really think Tesla has ficked it up big time, at least here.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The people who support Nazis are not the same people who buy Teslas in Europe. I've seen on reddit (ie may be fake don't rely on it) that one person had put a " I bought it before we knew he was a Nazi" sticker on their tesla.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

There a four Teslas in my buildings underground parking garage here in Germany. One of them my own.

3 of the 4 of them have that sticker. Also, one of them my own.

The one that didn’t, did have it, until he needed some service done, and when the car came back, the sticker was gone. So, I don’t know if he removed it to avoid any issues, or if that was a “service” that Tesla provided.

I placed the order in 2021, so truly we didn’t know. It was back when Germany had the €9,000 subsidy and it made sense.

It’s sad what he’s done, because I love the car, but hate what he’s done. But I’m not at a point where I can just get rid of it because he lost his marbles.

[–] IcyToes 1 points 31 minutes ago

Sounds like backup stickers are an important consumable you need to own with the Nazi car.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 minutes ago

Horseshit. By 2021, it was already known that he was human garbage.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Beside the whole Elon is a Nazi story,

Peope who can spend the price of an appartment in a car, already own a Tesla, and other brands start to make decent electric car. Sure the Electric version of the Peugeot 208 or the fiat 500 may lack a bit range to be usable, but if you go to intermediate models you'll find car which can definitely compete with a Tesla.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Sure the Electric version of the Peugeot 208 or the fiat 500 may lack a bit range to be usable,

Um, I disagree. According to ADAC (german automobile club) testings, a Fiat 500 EV has a range of 150 km or 250 km (small and big battery, respectively). Even 150 km is perfectly fine for the daily ride to work and some groceries on the way home.
The latest Peugeot e-208 according to ADAC tests has a range of 360 km.
For comparison: ADAC tested the Skoda Enyaq 85x (their test winner for compact cars in that testing cycle) in march 24 with 300-450 km. Both the Fiat 500 and the Peugeot 208 are designed for urban environments though, and you don't need a huge range there. Both cars have adequate ranges for their environment.
(Both are way too expensive though, but that is a common issue among european BEVs.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Awful attempt at alliteration

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Who wants to place bets that Musk starts making v8s to appeal to his new base

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Or at least installing a ROLL COAL button

[–] Tar_alcaran 2 points 2 hours ago

The only thing Teslas have going for it is that they're electric. They're not really great cars, so if they lose that edge there's nothing left.