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Ontario Premier Doug Ford announced a pause on retaliatory measures against the U.S. after Trump agreed to delay tariffs on Canada for 30 days.

Ford had planned to cancel a CA$100 million Starlink contract, ban U.S. booze sales, and block American firms from provincial contracts.

The pause follows Canada’s concessions on border security and fentanyl. Prime Minister Trudeau pledged new enforcement measures to ease tensions.

The temporary halt averts an immediate trade war, but Ford warned Trump may use tariff threats again in future negotiations.

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[–] xmunk 59 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'd still be cool with you canceling the Starlink contract - that's just a good idea.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

As much as I don't like Musk, Starlink is a good solution to provide internet in remote areas. As long as they followed the terms of the contract, I thought it was a good value for money for the province.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The most reliable rural internet provider is...

owned by a nazi (that literally did the salute on live tv)... 😕 (fuck this world)

(Btw, if you are using Starlink, don't feel bad for using Starlink, its capitalism's fault, don't blame yourself)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have to use starlink because my only other option is spotty internet for twice the price, a quarter the speed, and a mountain of technical issues owned by a monopoly I'm my area. But to be fair I got starlink years ago before shit turned into... This.

[–] JohnDClay 1 points 4 days ago

Hopefully kuiper will eventually be a meaningful alternative. Though Amazon also isn't great...

[–] xmunk 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The contract was for 100 million, that's a fuck ton of money in development costs. Just give out a series of domestic research grants and build it here.

There may be additional subsidies required to build the satellite network but who fucking cares - it's an investment.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The contract was for 100 million

For 15,000 connections. That's not bad per capita (especially when you consider these are remote places).

Just give out a series of domestic research grants and build it here.

They also do that where appropriate: https://www.ontario.ca/page/ontario-connects-making-high-speed-internet-accessible-in-every-community

It's a trade off of costs vs made local. You do have to be careful that a company isn't just a reseller of foreign technology, or is just set up to absorb government grants.

There may be additional subsidies required to build the satellite network but who fucking cares - it’s an investment.

SpaceX has estimated it's constellation is costing tens of billions of dollar. That's from the company that already has the rockets and employs rocket scientists.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ford warned Trump may use tariff threats again

Will use them again, will.

The pause follows Canada’s concessions on border security and fentanyl. Prime Minister Trudeau pledged new enforcement measures to ease tensions.

Goddamnit, I'm so. fucking. tired. of people giving him wins, or things he can claim are wins.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

He will absolutely claim it as a win, and his sycophants will too. And he will come back in 30 days emboldened with more demands with the same threats.

Sure, we didn't give up much this time, but we gave him something he can claim as a win and the belief that we'll cave again on his next threat.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don’t think they should. Trump bluffed, fucking call him on it, hard.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The tariffs are paid by the importers. It'll negatively affect things in Canada.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

Tariffs are not what was being withdrawn by Ontario.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago

Nah fuck the USA, dont support us while we have this man fucking around.

[–] Yerbouti 6 points 3 days ago

I mean it's Doug Ford, dont expect much from him. Same goes with Legault, fuck them both.

[–] Typotyper 6 points 4 days ago

We should postpone all contracts for a few months to make sure US honours their word. Maybe put that clause in there. Definitely not buy any American machinery if alternate equipment is made in Canada or Europe.