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[–] [email protected] 146 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, generally speaking, sending pikemen against a people famous for riding horses sounds smart to me lol

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I don't understand why people are confused by this. Haha

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago

It is said he rejected reason for madness.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago (3 children)

He had sappers. And yeah Pike beats horse.

[–] potterpockets 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd hate to climb a ladder with a pike

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Climb the ladder and have your mate pass up the pike.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

This is an accident waiting to happen. Is this ladder even OSHA approved?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Nah, you throw your pike straight up and then catch it when you reach the top of the ladder.

Ez

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Except when there's light in the pikemen's eyes apparently

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

"Captain Ugnark, should we be worried about leaving our rear open to a cavalry charge?"

"Gobruk, you fool! That's a 60-degree slope, there's no way that horses could safely charge down it."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

This is AoE 101

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago (3 children)

meanwhile Gandalf makes a cavalry charge down a waaaaaay too steep hill towards the aforementioned pikemen thonk

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

but he had the power of "making it really bright" on his side, and we all know that this is the achilles heel of all pikemen everywhere!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Aren't Uruk Hai really sensible to light? So the riders had vision, the high ground, morale and momentum on their side.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Pikes are pushed against/into the ground, so neither morale nor momentum will do you any good against them. Discomforting the pikemen will also not do anything, since pikes and their use in formations are designed for that to happen. If you get charged by a fuckton of cavalry, you are bound to flinch anyway and you weren't supposed to actually do anything with the pike but push it into the ground if you were charged. The momentum is provided by courtesy of the attacker. So the downhill movement and the momentum are a disadvantage against pikes.

And I'm not even counting the fact that horses will not charge walls of spiky things. They are living beings with a mind of their own. A fact that we tend to forget nowadays. But I'm willing to let that one slide, perhaps there was some super special sauce training only known to the horse freaks of Rohan that made them go through with the charge.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

"Then he must be a noble beast indeed," said Aragorn; "and it grieves me more than many tidings that might seem worse to learn that Sauron levies such tribute. It was not so when last I was in that land."

"Nor is it now, I will swear," said Boromir. "It is a lie that comes from the Enemy. I know the Horse Freaks of Rohan; true and valiant, our allies, dwelling still in the lands that we gave them long ago."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ghandalf did not pass through fire and death to bandy words with a witless worm such as yourself. It was magic light, that did magic things. Okay?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Uruk-hai were more tolerant of daylight than other orcs. I think it was mentioned a couple of times by the fellowship folks, and there was also a scene when they had captured Merry and Pippin and had to keep running day and night. The commander made fun of the others for being weaker against the daylight.

Also, cavalry can generally defeat a pole arm formation by flanking and using a combined arms operation. They need projectile weapons (arrows/muskets/cannon…) or infantry to keep the pikemen engaged. If the pole arm unit forms a square, it’s largely protected against cavalry but has increased vulnerability to missile weapons and is fairly immobile.

Or just send in the ents.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Man, making me wanna install Third Age Total War.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

obviously Saruman the 4D-chess-mover predicted that Gandalf would flank them with cavalry and that's why he brought pikemen to a siege

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

We need to resist the hegemony of the wizards, these guys clearly have no business making decisions for the rest of Middle-earth

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Shit worked, didnt it?

Wizard apparently knows a thing or two.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The Battle of Helm's Deep is full of very obvious errors. There is an awesome Dutch historian, Roel Konijnendijk, who trashes movies for fun that talks about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPGdOXstSyk

My favourite one is when they are shouting orders to eachother. There is no way for the Elven archers to hear Aragorn's commands, or for Aragorn to hear Theoden's fallback order.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=xPGdOXstSyk

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Um, piped stopped working for me on all instances a few days ago, anybody else noticed this?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Yep. Same with apps like LibreTube, YouTube broke something (Diese Fotzen)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Something to do with API changes on YouTube I believe. For whatever reason, https://piped.mha.fi/ still works.

https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped/issues/2809

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

I thought Legolas had a superior hearing, didnt he ? If yes, the elves could have heard Aragorn.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

Me and a friend discussed this and it led to an ongoing joke of pole vaulting pikemen.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Wise. A wizard.

Not exactly a very experienced war lord

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (4 children)

More like Saruman the fool

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Saruman the Unwise

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Saruman the silly

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Saruman the Silly

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Every Total War Player knows how this feels "let's take this city real qui... Wait?! Who the fuck put the pikes into this army?!"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Wise once there is a breach. which is what they planned for.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Here's an eight part series by a historian on which parts of the battle are realistic within the world and which are not, in case that kind of thing is interesting to you:

https://acoup.blog/2020/05/01/collections-the-battle-of-helms-deep-part-i-bargaining-for-goods-at-helms-gate/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I’ve already read it before, but it’s so so good.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Maybe the walls finished constructing while he was sending his troops across the map. Happens to the best of us.

[–] epyon22 4 points 2 years ago

Forgot to build that siege workshop and just decided to send it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They said the keep had held for 800 years...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

That's like 5-10 turns tops in the early game!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Pikes beat horse dudes, Rohan has horse dudes. Unbeatable logic. Dev did not code for horse dudes having different armour off horse.

[–] relative_iterator 2 points 2 years ago

Walled shelter

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