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Smokers have the most opportunities to litter.

I imagine few people create garbage multiple times a day while outside. The people who do only litter if they can't be bothered to find a bin, so they probably rarely visit that particular place. So smokers, teenagers and truckers just have more opportunities to litter, leaving butts, wrappers and cans.

And once you're used to littering when there's no bin, you do it when there are bins as well.

I think this is partially just observational bias.

You only notice the smokers littering and not the ones squeezing the cherry out and pocketing the filter or throwing it away.

A lot of smokers do the above and if you ever meet them they smell next level disgusting. Their car ash tray will be full of butts, and there car will reek. They often just skoke inside, and their entire living space smells of stale tobacco. Their pants will reek because they store them in their pocket until they find a bin. But they don't litter. The people who are trying to avoid smelling like an ash tray are the ones littering.

Bright orange plastic is hard to miss and doesn't biodegrade. Pocketing it is a big ask, because if it's not crumby ashes, it's burning-hot. Smoking happens outside almost exclusively these days. Several times a day, per person, because of its addictive nature.

Every system is perfectly designed to produce its observed outcomes.

They don't consider it littering. That the cigarette butt will somehow just magically degrade like a fallen leaf. It truly is remarkable how selfish smokers can be.

Maybe it's because smokers already have to make the decision to blow toxic smoke around where other people (most of them non-smokers nowadays) are likely to breathe it in - it's pretty much an inherently anti-social activity nowadays, so the step to littering your smoking trash isn't that big. Maybe related to broken window theory?

When I smoked cigs, I was literally always the only person who'd always bother to properly throw away butts, even got a psuedo MGS4 style cigarette butt container for when no buttcans or trash cans were nearby.

A few people I'd smoke with would follow my lead.

Most of them just saw me giving a shit about trashing them properly and tell me to go fuck myself, fagg*t, etc.

Why are most smokers so frivolous, entitled and agressive with littering?

They don't give a fuck.

About their own health, or anyone else's, or the environment.

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Other comments are saying smokers think the filters, the butts, are biodegradeable.

They aren't.

You can only use that excuse if you're rolling rollies or spliffs, or tapping out a spent pipe.

Somehow they seem to think that one small cigarette butt is so insignificant that it doesn't matter despite the fact that they can see these small cigarette butts literally everywhere.

If someone doesn't care about themselves, why would they care about other or littering.

Well, I don't think there's a single answer.

I used to be a smoker. And it always pissed me off how cavalier other smokers were about just flicking a butt anywhere.

Having discussed it many times with other smokers, I gotta say the major reason for out is pure fucking laziness combined when apathy. People just don't care, or think it doesn't matter, and aren't willing to put even the tiniest effort into not being assholes.

The next major reason is that smoking is basically burning a plant. There's already a factor where you're dropping ash, so there's a predisposition to forgetting there's a difference. And some people seem to think that because the cig was burning that it shouldn't go in regular trash. Those folks are usually pretty good about using public ashtrays with a dedicated disposal container. Not all of them all the time, but more often than not.

I'm not saying I never left a butt behind (I love that phrase), but for me it was only when circumstances made it such that I wasn't paying attention. High stress circumstances, and I wouldn't be paying attention to what my hands were doing. I'd be done smoking, walking back to wherever and realize I didn't have the butt with me.

There are portable options. My car didn't come with an ashtray, but there are portable ones that cost less than a pack of cigarettes, even back when cigarettes were cheaper. There's are also ones you can carry in a pocket or purse. I used to carry one in my pocket that was great because it was sealed well enough that you couldn't smell anything from it.

But, barring a rare situation where the residual ember is too dangerous to stub out and then dispose of the little bit of tobacco left with a certainty of safety, there's really zero excuse to not do that and at least carry your butt away to a receptacle of some kind, even if you're in your own yard. But if things are that flammable, you shouldn't be smoking to begin with.

Back when I would work the door as a bouncer at bars and clubs, I was kinda known for being pissy about it. I'd be smoking myself, see someone toss a butt and give them shit for it. "Why you fucking up my parking lot? Pick your shit up." Benefit of being a bouncer and looking like a bouncer is you can get away with that kind of thing. Like, motherfucker, I'm standing right here next to a giant ashtray with a disposal bucket for the butts. Don't just drop your trash. My boss at the one place said I was scaring customers. I said good, now the place won't look trashy, and you can get customers that aren't lazy assholes that leave the parking lot littered up. Besides, if a bouncer can't put a little fear into lazy assholes, why do the job? That's practically part of the benefits of the job lol.

But, yeah, the vast majority are lazy assholes. Not just the smokers, it's anyone with something small enough they don't think it's worth any effort to dispose of properly. A single napkin, straws, straw wrappers, toothpicks. Cigs are just more frequent because smokers go through then in bigger numbers, so they pile up more obviously.

Most of my family are smokers, and I can tell you that smokers are often just annoying and selfish when it comes to their smoking.

My dad and stepmom insist on smoking at the fireplace because 'the smoke goes to the chimney' (hint: it doesn't) despite the fact that a 9 year old lives here, and I remember when my brother dropped his cigarette on the ground in a forest (he put it out first) and when I noted that he shouldn't do that because animals will eat the cigarette butts he drops, since there was a nest with baby birds nearby, his defense was that the birds in the city eat cigarettes and get addicted to them, this was somehow fine or something. I still fail to see the logic there, if he had any.

Have you ever heard of “broken window syndrome?” It’s the idea that once there are a couple of broken windows on buildings in an area, quickly more will start getting broken. But if every window is intact, you will only get the occasional vandal being bold enough to break the first one.

It’s not scientific and may not even have any truth in it, but there is something to be said for the idea that if people see others doing something, they are more likely to go ahead and do it themselves.

To the point: if you see thousands of butts everywhere, smokers do too and probably consider it normal by now, and don’t care.

This only explains how things go from bad to worse. So who drops the first butt? Well: it’s the most selfish, lazy, inconsiderate guy around. There always is one.

Funny how all this adds up to the fact that we will inevitably herd behind the worst person around. Maybe that’s why we suck so bad as a species.

Because it generally takes a certain type of person to smoke and there happens to be quite a lot of overlap with the type of person who's fine with littering.

I was a smoker for about 20 years and quit in 2021 with Chantix.

For all but the last maybe 5 years of that, I just had cigarette butts on my mental whitelist. I was an otherwise very litter-conscious person who just didn't consider butts litter because...? I never reasoned it out, and was like I suddenly realized I was fucking littering and then I became hyper sensitive about it.

There's a guy at work who would squat down and chain-smoke outside the building main entrance and littered cigarette butts all over the place.

I confronted him about it one day, and asked him to throw his butts away. Now he smokes by his car and that area of the parking lot is full of cigarette butts.

Fucking disgusting.

There used to be ash trays in public spaces. Like, it was super common.

Since public smoking bans are more common, there are no ash trays anywhere. So people just throw their shit on the ground.

Removing ash trays isn't going to make smokers go "oh well, guess I should stop smoking." It makes them go "oh well, I guess there's nowhere to throw this away, it's going on the ground now."

In addition to other suggestions, which are likely largely correct, I'll pose another potential factor:

Smoking is self-harm, in addition to addiction. Some people are too fucked up on depression and self-loathing to see their impact on the world around them.

They don't see it as litter.

they mistakenly believe that the cigarette butts will biodegrade fast enough to not be an issue.

How often do you see somewhere to put a cigarette butt? Sure people are selfish and lazy but if there was somewhere to put them in public spaces they would be used. People who smoke in the car and toss them out the window are dickheads though