This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
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Context https://lemmy.world/comment/14641595
Anyone, who doesn’t tread the „destroy Israel“ party line gets banned from [email protected]
Edit: although people here hate Israel and different opinions with a passion, nobody could cite the actual rule I broke.
YDI.
You're a genocide denier. No ifs, ands or buts.
PTB. Substantive discussions around the definition of genocide are not the same as Nazis saying the Holocaust never happened or whatever and I think it’s ridiculous to conflate those things. There is no rule that would cover this other than one against misinformation—but OP has not challenged the facts on the ground, just the way language is being used. Language is always going to be a subjective and arbitrary thing.
That said, other things OP has said here might constitute misinformation so that makes me wonder if there is any missing context beyond this single comment.
There's no "rule" against promoting genocide because it's just common human decency that shouldn't need a rule.
It's like making a rule against posting videos of yourself eating poop. Just don't do it.
The ICJ has a reputation for its failures to stop past genocides and waiting until it does not matter anymore before they finally submit the judgement. Besides genocide denial you are factually incorrect.
YDI for the reasons others have already listed, and also Y'dDI here for your efforts to rule lawyer after the fact.
YDI.
It's genocide by any other definition. You can split hairs all you want and call it "crimes against humanity" or whatever, but it's a distinction without much difference when we're talking about targeted missile strikes upon schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings. Pedantry isn't going to convey some nuance that people are missing, and the mods were right to put a stop to it.
YDI and I’m blocking you for being a genocide denier and an overall fucking moron based on numerous comments.
Also I bet you’re a shit ass boyfriend why would anyone want to date a genocide denier.
Yep. c/politics on .world is NOT neutral in any shape or form. Before the election, not only did I say that I was going to vote for a third party, but that third party is Socialist Workers Party. The SWP is also pro Israel (tho I'm neutral on that part---I'm all about their pro-union stance).
I STILL have people from .world stalking me, tracking me, and trying to get me banned from other instances. Even tho the election is over now and the drama was months ago. lmao
.world will absolutely fucking ban you for not agreeing with them. Lemmy, in general is quick to ban/block anyone who disagrees with them, but .world is especially pro-censorship.
The active suppression of discourse on Lemmy is astounding. The instances and communities are small, but often ruled with an iron fist.
I was the second most active poster in a community with half a dozen regular commenters. The mod got so butthurt over a minor disagreement at some point, he banned half the community members. Now he’s posting alone.
I STILL have people from .world stalking me, tracking me, and trying to get me banned from other instances.
I‘ve seen this happen. Someone was banned from feddit.org as well for a mild pro Israel post on .world.
I'm trying dude. But I also don't want SJW to be a server that has anything to do with politics, so there's only so much I can do.
All I would say is that it's much better to have leftist political extremists controlling the discourse rather than than alt right psychos. Ideally the discussion would be more diverse and open minded, but with the tiny userbase that's not really an option yet.
Your best bet is to avoid discussing the Palestinian conflict entirely. Nothing that we say on Lemmy is going to change what happens IRL anyway.
Your best bet is to avoid discussing the Palestinian conflict entirely
The chilling effect is real.
This is Lemmy. IRL Israel is doing whatever they want anyway. It seems apparent that the chilling effect doesn't affect them whatsoever.
This isn't a court of law, it's simply practical advice about how to act on Lemmy so that the platform can grow and succeed. Sometimes you lose the battle but win the war.
I don’t think a platform that promotes antisemitism to a wide audience is worth growing.
Okay... first of all, opposition to the Israeli actions in Palestine is not equivalent to antisemitism. That's just a fact.
People who are antisemitic are definitely going to take that position, but most people take that position for completely different reasons.
Secondly, the growth of the platform will inherently change the nature of the discourse. If we get tens of thousands more users over here, the conversation will change drastically. That's why starting from a position that challenges the dominant mainstream discourse is an advantage for Lemmy, because that position is guaranteed to be diluted as we grow.
opposition to the Israeli actions in Palestine is not equivalent to antisemitism. That’s just a fact.
Obviously not. Demonization, delegitimization, and calling for the destruction of the only Jewish state is antisemitic though.
But I also don’t want SJW to be a server that has anything to do with politics, so there’s only so much I can do.
Wait, so how come that [email protected] is basically the recommendation for people wanting an alternative to [email protected]? Are you admins unhappy with having that community on your instance?
I wasn't aware of that, but that's fine. The mods must be doing a good job because I never see reports from that community. I just want to make sure sh.it keeps working, and getting overtly political has a tendency to cause problems.
Cheers to @[email protected] and @[email protected] I guess!
I don't think we get much credit for that part, tbh. It's a US based politics community. Thanks anyway though.
What you said was disgusting and abhorrent. It should have been removed.
7 days is very lenient. Take it on the chin and reflect.
This is disgusting hasbara. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Indeed the more he speaks, the more it becomes clear this was a vector of attack on Israel's behalf
Well, I'm going to start off with the obvious thing. You absolutely do not have a leg to stand on as far as what you said being genocide denial. You can quibble about semantics all you want, but that's literally what you did.
That being said, you're right about one thing. Genocide denial isn't an explicitly listed rule.
But you still broke multiple rules. The fact that you can't see that genocide denial falls under them, even though it is most definitely not listed as a specific rule of its own, that may be a thing where c/politics needs to refine its rules for better understanding, or it may be that you need to understand that you don't have to list every possible iteration of a broad rule for it to be part of a rule.
Then, if you go to the very bottom of their rules it does explicitly state that posts and comments may be removed even if they don't break any enumerated rules. My app doesn't let me flip back and forth to copy/paste what's written there word for word, but he mod action taken is within their stated standards.
Do I think that them using a ban reason that doesn't match their rules in wording was a good idea? Hell no. They should have just listed it as an extension of their misinformation rule, and there wouldn't be any question about it being appropriate. Seriously, you have made comments about the debate over whether or not the actions of Israel meet the definition of genocide, but the debate is essentially being framed on shaky ground to begin with, and none of the "it isn't" arguments hold water. So they definitely fall under misinformation.
Now, was your comment ban worthy? Maybe, maybe not. If it was your first offense, I'd say anything beyond a one day ban was over the top. I don't have the patience to sift through your user history to know how prone you are to that kind of thing. But it is a temporary ban. That's not going to be PTB territory under these circumstances. Temp bans are a tool to give a user time to cool down, think, and hopefully reach out for clarification. That's not power tripping at all. A permanent ban over a single offense, that might be power tripping, depending on the circumstances. It probably would be unless it was for an explicitly listed rule, and/or permabans are listed as a consequence for violating core rules.
So, summing up. This is not power tripping because your comment did break rules, and the ban is temporary. That you didn't understand the rules is irrelevant to that. Take this as a chance to clarify things with that community, and possibly suggest (in a calm and polite manner) that the rules be reworded so that better understanding is possible in the future
Edit: rule 3 is where they list misinformation. It isn't very well written, imo, but it's there
Good.