Reddit is Dead. Lemmy is Dead. Everything is Dead. : fediverse

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

It finally occurs to me. When younger people complain about capitalism, it's the 21st century almost-feudal version of capitalism that they're complaining about.

The oligarchs/large corporations don't seem to stop wanting exceptional amounts of money more whilst everyday people are really struggling. I'm not taking about the bottom end of society who are double-decimated, but average everyday middle-classes and pensioners. Members of Governments have their noses in our trough too.

I understand what they mean now. Sorry it's taken me so long.

Add-on: I should add that I'm old now. I grew up in the change that was new-growth of Thatcher's premiership not the managed-decline winner-take-all that is the 21st century. I believed and I don't anymore.

god what a depressing comment I've made. Maybe it'll be better in the morning. 🤣😂

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

When younger people complain about capitalism, it's the 21st century almost-feudal version of capitalism that they're complaining about.

Well, there is Keynes

"Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men, for the nastiest of motives, will somehow work together for the benefit of all."—John Maynard Keynes

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

I don't think we can quite equate this shite to the 1930s but I take your point!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Think of our perception of capitalism as closer to your great grandparents'. Your statement of thatcher implies UK, so think before the unions and the council housing and for us yanks before the NHS. And with an oncoming doom from climate change. And that's in addition to the technofuedalism. The benefits of privatization increasingly feel like a bold faced lie to us

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Maybe. My great grandparents escaped from Poland and Russia in the first decade of the twentieth century. I don't know what you'd call it as a geographic area.

I remember, with a small child's view, the seventies. It was really shite. Weak leaders, unions asking the physically impossible, wild inflation (25+% vs a kinda normal 5-7%), strikes and poverty. 'managed decline' was the way it was described in the civil service: the airplane is fucked but we're going for a soft landing. 2020 here is like the seventies writ small. The UK had no choice but to join the EU.

The UK contributes less than 2% to greenhouse gases but our idiots are pushing climate change costs onto us - or maybe it's labelled climate change but the taxes is just trying to keep us the country afloat. What we learned from Mrs T was that 70s style tax burdens don't work. The halving of the tax rates doubled the revenue and suddenly punk became synth and new romantics.

I think the real change was the second wave emancipation of women. House prices went wild because there were now two serious incomes per household to multiply by 4 or 5. People were buying houses on self- certification of income, never making a mortgage payment, and still selling the house at a huge profit. The thing exploded, like in the US, as you'd expect. The government didn't raise interest rates to combat the excess money now in the system and pop-goes-the- weasel.

Selling off the infrastructure was a dream to build wealth for small shareholders, mirroring the US - I have a SEC Series 7 Traders qualification for work - but the Brits are sadly a more disconnected lot. Every budget raids our pensions funds because we don't care about them until the day before we retire. I'm guessing small shareholders are a small minority now.

After the nineties We've had a succession of weak leaders, each tacitly claiming to be the new Mrs T. Boris filled his mates pockets with the cash meant for COVID and locked down the working man.

Now we've got a naive ex-chief prosecutor 'authoritarian' in who is as weak as fuck pandering to every liberal cause you can shake a stick at. Violent prisoners being released, people jailed for sending a tweet; serious honours given out for the mayor of London who has failed by any metric you care to name, but someone has elected him three times in a row. Mind you, the opposition candidate was particularly hopeless this time.

It's all very reminiscent of Neil Kinnock failing miserably to walk unaided on a beach, having being surprised by the presence of water, staging a election victory before the day and losing the general election as a result to a complete twat.

Meanwhile, if climate change was actually important to you all, you'd tackle the major polluters of this world. China also owns Africa for the minerals and large quantities of the US, India lives in abject poverty as the largest population in the world. Not a damn thing was said.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Lets start with your assumption that it's fine that a country with .87% of the global population being anywhere near 2% of greenhouse gasses is ok. Especially when first world countries like ours are responsible for the historical majority of them. But also by reducing our emissions we enter the ability to negotiate with other countries to reduce theirs and we have incentives to develop more ecological technology that we can then sell to other countries as China has famously been doing with solar panels and electric vehicles. But significantly, all we can impact outside treaties is our own countries, so when we demand carbon reduction at home it's because the alternatives are giving up or I suppose you could attempt to take back India and China.

Carbon taxes are more like vice taxes than say revenue taxes. The goal isn't to raise money to offset emissions, but to make more externally costly decisions less appealing. That way you don't fly instead of take the train in order to save a bit of time.

And yeah, I can't speak much for the UK, but in the US I associate the Reagan era with the severance of businesses from their responsibility and value to society. The rot that's killing my country both financially and socially was fostered and promoted by the Reagan era. We sold off our manufacturing capacity in the form of offshoring and created the conditions of the crack epidemic, government ignoring as more Americans died of aids than in the Vietnam War, and the formation of the religious right who would go on to cause a lot of today's problems. My part of my country is called the rust belt, and it was decimated by the consequencesof the 80s.

Also I'm pretty sure the UK had great benefits from EU membership. At least considering how bad leaving it has gone for yall.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

I think this is getting downvoted a little unfairly. I suspect this is mostly because the title went a bit too far in the "provocative" direction. If you were to build on this, I'd say extract the parts about setting up your own instance (everything after "In Comes Lemmy") and expand that.

A couple other thoughts:

I agree that [email protected] is awesome, if you contact pmjv he'll probably respond
You say: "When you use Lemmy, you have to subscribe to specific communities in order to see the content from those communities." which is not literally true -- you can just set your account to read "all", and a lot of people do that. Not sure what the default is, especially if you set up your own instance.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lemmy is at the moment a super busy tech/nerd/nd forum. If you have those interests you don't usually starve for content.

It's when you expect it to be like late stage reddit with millions of users sustaining niches comms that you get disappointed. Lemmy is like reddit in 2008.

It cannot cater to all interests yet but it is a place that people can validly migrate to as reddit enshittifies further

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The more we foster a community of sharing the less dead the niches will fill.

The vast majority of lemmy users never post at all which sometimes makes it feel dead. We need more posts. If you’re reading this and haven’t made a post before I challenge you too. If you’re reading this and there is a niche community that doesn’t exist that you miss from reddit, I challenge you to make it here.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

there is a niche community that doesn’t exist that you miss from reddit, I challenge you to make it here.

Please come to [email protected] for some advice. Quite a few communities get created then get abandoned a few weeks after, that's counterproductive as well

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks for not using AI but why would you post on lemmy that you gave up on lemmy? Are you trying to get more people to leave?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hi. I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that way. People have put a lot of effort into developing Lemmy as both a software and a community, and it wasn't my intention to devalue anyone's efforts or say that it's a lost cause. I think people should continue using Lemmy. This was just literally my stream of consciousness. I'm more upset that the original Reddit is gone and I wanted to highlight how Lemmy is not a perfect replacement.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lemmy is a perfect replacement for Reddit because it's not Reddit. The feed was curated and not as organic as the voting system made it seem. As time passed, it became more of an algorithmic engine for dopamine extraction. Sure, I had some great times there, but times change.

Lemmy is not a perfect copy, but it is a healthier replacement in some ways. Separate instances do amplify echo chambers, but, they mildly serve to keep different groups separated. Some personality types are just not compatible and that is OK. We still have common spaces and can still be civil, mostly.

For now, there isn't as much room here for business. Sure, we have plenty of porn but this platform isn't as easy to exploit for money as Reddit was. No centralized advertising structure is awesome, IMHO. (Some clients still leverage ads, but I don't use them.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why people say seperate instances amplify echo chambers? I can follow any community I want, it might be true that similar people go to similar instances but then you can see the others without noticing what instance they belong. In lemmy you follow communities and not people so I feel this happens even less since everyone comments on any community.

And as a site note I think the internet showed that putting everyone in once place is not always healthy for everyone.

The internet should respect different cultures and not try to homogenize everything.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Its probably more accurate for me to say that I think there is a gradient of people between instances. Using politics as an example, and without details, people seem to gravitate to instances where they are with like-minded folk. Combine that with local or global filter preferences, and echo chambers start to form on a per-instance basis. Communities of higher interest will likely be on the users home instance, after all.

But yeah, I am fairly sure most of us browse /all and see content from all over Lemmy. We still mix and mingle, but are still lightly bound by our own filter preferences. See above paragraph.)

(I am not trying to dictate hard rules of behavior, btw. Lemmy is too diverse for anything definitive.)

Personally, I try to only block specific communities and not entire instances. That has seemed to keep my personal feeds fairly open.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I think that intro (and the dead lemmy thumbnail) and the long part about reddit is why you got downvoted. People want to hear good things or constructive criticism about their niche platform and are kinda tired of reddit.

Try not to get discouraged about posting. I saw what you meant later in the article, it just came off badly from the intro materials.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

For some reason you are just having a bad moment mate, rejoice! Nothing is dead.
I mean Reddit is still alive, like it or not I don't think it's going to change any time soon.
Lemmy does its own things, sure it didn't grow as expected but it is doing good, those things take time and we should not expect Lemmy to become the new Reddit.

For me the main issue on Lemmy is the number of thread/community/people that want to talk absolutely about Reddit, at this point this is just counterproductive it's like people can't get over it, the first few months it was okay but now it's just non sense.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Quit posting crybaby junk and post stuff you like. You know build the future you want to see.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a lot easier to complain than it is to make the world a better place. And before you think that that's a complete agreement with your reasoning, note that 1) Your comment is also an easy complaint and 2) Does this mean that people who can't produce quality content shouldn't be allowed to complain when there's a lack of it?

The big irony here is that OP actually went to the effort of creating content, even if it was "only" a complaint.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Junk content. Worthless noise that brings nothing of value into the universe. How about you shut the fuck up. I don't wanna hear your elevator music or look at your advertisements anymore, or listen to you bitch and moan about your feelings. Do something to make it better or take a long nap. You're the boomer handing out participation trophies then complaining everyone got one. To be blunt id rather stare into the abyss then read the ignorant waste of time response your wee little monkey brain typed out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Someone or something has clearly hurt you and you appear to want to hurt others in turn. I'm not the brick wall you're going to run into one day, but I can tell you that if you keep this up you're going to hit it sooner rather than later.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago

Yeah your definitely qualified as a psychologist. I can tell from your armchair. It's nice that someone knows me so well. Lol I wouldn't put money on it mate your gonna lose and everyone does anyway Dr. Wall it's been a pleasure to be under your care.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm dead 💀

[–] ThrowawayPermanente 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We are all dead on this blursed day

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Speak for yourself.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If one can pay $30/yr for basically a private social network that's garbage and advertizement free, I think that should be more popular. But to make that happen we need an even easier system to set up;

$29/year to have an account at Mastodon, Lemmy, Matrix and Funkwhale (with 250GB of upload quota to your personal library). No "setting up" required beyond downloading the clients. No ads, no tracking.

and we need the social effect.

Get the $119/year package for 5 people. Invite 4 of your friends. Tell them that if they like it they can split the costs with you or pay it forward by getting another 5-package for themselves and inviting more of their friends.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Holy shit that's expensive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's less than $2.50 per month, for 4 different services, and I'm also pledging 20% of the profits to go the open source projects.

I've been told by multiple people that I'm actually charging less than what I should. If you think that you can offer all of that for less, please go ahead.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I was talking more about the user cap than the price itself. Being capped like that is what makes it expensive.

So while it might not be that easy to win on the price as an absolute number, it's very easy to win on price per user.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Not sure to follow, how does being capped make it expensive? Should the user cap be higher?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

These are for the people that just want to get access to the flagship servers and not worry about managing their own. Those that want to bring lots of users should look into the managed hosting packages, where they will be no hard quota, and they will only be limited by the hardware resources that will be allocated to them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I remember in reddit following nextduckinglevel to simply be a bit more up to date with people commenting on this types of things and after that I started to enjoy less reddit, this type of communities make reddit similar to other social media liked Instagram and I don't enjoy seeing extreme things all the time or people just trying to get the attention. I stop following the community after a while and the experience got better for me.

I don't see much different between reddit and lemmy besides lemmy being in the fediverse thus it's a plus on my book. But you decide what communities you follow, if you are not enjoying it stop following what makes you not enjoy the platform, this is not tiktok where they put videos on you face, you choose what type of content you want to see and follow things you want to follow not things you should follow.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I think single user instances and subscribing to communities doesn't really work with lemmy because of the low volume and overlapping communities.

I actually read all new on my instance and just block anything I don't want to see instead of subscribing. That was when communities come and go I still see the content. There are tradeoffs though you'll have to come back later to see lots of comments usually.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

You just need to move on. Reddit had its time and place. I’m thankful for those early days I got to experience and so should you.

"And that, I think, was the handle - that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of old and evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply prevail. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look west, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back." - Hunter S. Thompson

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I browse Lemmy from Mbin, but frankly it seems like it's alive and growing to me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

bots everywhere

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago

only on .world, .ee and the other "general interest" instances

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hipster archetype?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

ikr. I never thought of reddit as hipsters.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I still believe that mailing lists are the best technology which has been both decentralized in the meaning of the identity ( which you can verify with gpg ) and storage. While I like many other things like simplex, lemmy, to some extent matrix and so on, still mailing lists rock nowadays ( note: please consider 2 criterias i meant - distributed identity and storage)

[+] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

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