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They found more pipe bombs in a bedroom inside Mr. Spafford’s house, loosely stuffed in a backpack that bore a patch shaped like a hand grenade and a logo reading “#NoLivesMatter,” prosecutors said.

No Lives Matter is a nihilistic, far-right ideology that largely exists on encrypted online messaging apps like Telegram

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

I understand using bombs and making them in the context of being a violent nutter but... What'd he think he was going to do with all that? Run around like an Easter bunny bomber handing em out?

[–] [email protected] 162 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The guy is white, so let's try the good old Ctrl+F "terror" and yup, sure enough, zero results.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Guess Italian isn't white enough after all since they have no problem throwing that terrorism charge on an actual working class hero, Luigi

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He killed one of the rich instead of a minority

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In fairness, the ultra rich are a minority

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

With luigi's movement hopegully scaring that minority into submission

[–] neidu3 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Reading about who were considered white 100-150 years ago is a wild ride. It basically meant brits, Germans, and french. I guess us scandis as well, but nobody really cared about us at that point (to the extent anyone do nowadays). Italians were basically the brown people of europe, and I guess that's how they managed to go with terrorism charges.

[–] anomnom 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think a bunch of it had to do with Catholicism too. Anglos didn’t like that either.

I care about you scandiwegans, I especially respect your needs for personal space, cold weather and cheap healthcare.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's fun living in colder climates and having unironic discussions where people are agreeing that -10° C is a nice winter temperature since it's still relatively warm, but you don't have to worry about slushy, frozen roads or high humidity.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

To be fair. In the 1900-1960 eugenics movement in the US, italians, greeks etc. were considered inferior compared to the “purest” races of northern europeans.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

"Hmm..." thinks I, after reading the headline. "I wonder if this is going to be someone on the right or the left. I have my suspicions, but let's not jump to unfounded conclusions."

Turns out my conclusions were (once again) entirely founded.

The neighbor also told investigators that Mr. Spafford sometimes used photographs of President Biden for target practice at a local shooting range and believed that “political assassinations should be brought back.” After the attempt on President-elect Donald J. Trump’s life in Pennsylvania in July, the papers said, Mr. Spafford told his neighbor that he “hoped the shooter doesn’t miss Kamala,” an apparent reference to Vice President Kamala Harris.

Mr. Spafford moved to his farm this fall, and the neighbor went to visit him there in October wearing a secret recording device, the papers said. Mr. Spafford told the neighbor that he had various types of explosives at the property and discussed fortifying it with “a 360-degree turret” in which he planned to mount a 50-caliber rifle, according to the papers.

No Lives Matter is an offshoot of the broader “accelerationist” movement, which seeks to accelerate radical social change through sabotage and violence. Some scholars of far-right extremism believe it takes its name from a song entitled “No Lives Matter,” by the pro-Trump Canadian rapper Tom MacDonald.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

song entitled “No Lives Matter,” by the pro-Trump Canadian rapper Tom MacDonald.

I understand the words in this sentence, but the order they are presented in is... Baffling.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Guy doesn't like group think. That's why he became a figurehead of MAGA...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

....I may need more than one bottle of prosecco to prepare for 2025.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not sure that clears up anything.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

It's the best I got man, sorry.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"MAGA Rap" - all I can think of is some kind of low(er)-rent Kid Rock knockoff. 🤣 😂

I'm sure I'm wrong, and I'm not going to look into it any deeper, but that's what the phrase "MAGA Rap" brings to mind for me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I'm sure I'm wrong

I actually kinda think you're right, but like you I'm not looking into it any deeper.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I’m assuming this was for when “the election was stolen”, but it wasn’t because musk won :)

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[–] Huckledebuck 70 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Will we ever start seeing terrorism changes for these terrorists?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

Of course not; he's a white, right-wing nationalist. Nothing to see here.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Not unless they're a minority or they kill or threaten someone rich and conservative. The rich part there is really important, they won't care if a poor conservative gets killed. They might care a little if a rich progressive gets killed, but only if they think there might be a chance it would lead to attacks on rich people in general.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Terrorism Charges are only really required for the First Degree Murder Charge in the State of New York, afaik.

This guy probably hasn't killed anybody yet, and he lives in Virginia.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago (2 children)

...that largely exists on encrypted online messaging apps like...

If you're a journalist demonizing encrypted communication, I can't take you seriously.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Get used to it, that's the next rhetoric. If the government can't read it and filter it, they're going to try to stamp it out over the next few years.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Actually the FBI has been recommending people use more secure communications lately due to Chinese spying through SMS network infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That was knee-jerk because we can't do shit about the espionage. As we go down the slippery slope of authoritarianism, their ability to see everything we say will become paramount to them.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Although they recommend WhatsApp, which is owned and controlled by Meta. I'd be surprised if they don't have access to that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (5 children)

That part's not new, that started in 2001. But journalists specifically have a vested interest in having secure and private communication. It's not in their interest to equate it with terrorism.

[–] Jakeroxs 2 points 1 week ago

Implying most "journalists" at msm outlets actually do any investigative journalism instead of just reiterate what they're told from law enforcement agencies. See the Luigi manifesto for a recent example lol

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

it's ok! telegram is not encrypted!

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago

Another GOP criminal, not shocked.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I wonder what the holdup was, taking over a year to move on information, and then only on the pretense of a sawed-off shotgun as a reason. It seems really, REALLY cautious.

I wonder if neighbor was being pressed to "infiltrate" the circle. Something's really off here.

[–] Kite 19 points 1 week ago

The way the guy talked, he seemed to imply he knew about a lot of other people involved in that movement. Perhaps the FBI was just really making sure all of their i's were dotted and t's were crossed so nothing goes wrong with bringing him in and getting him to divulge a lot of information. Or.. the guy has already blown off half of a hand making his explosives. Maybe the FBI was waiting in the hopes he'd blow the rest of himself to kingdom come and they wouldn't have to deal with him lol.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My guess is legality of methods obtaining info.

I can have "on good authority" that you're doing XYZ, but that doesn't mean I can go snooping in your private shit. I need probable cause.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That's not really an issue for an agency that can have secret warrants issued.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Correct, but they still have to convince a judge to issue that secret warrant.

The judge would require probable cause, which doesn't have to be slam dunk evidence, but it does still have to be obtained legally.

OP was saying that the FBI could easily wiretap, but in order to make the evidence legally permitted in court, they'd still need probable cause to get the secret warrant that would allow them to do the wiretap.

It's sort of a loop-hole-in-a-loop-hole with the courts.

Usually the FBI just has to use the non-legal wiretap to point them to a good source of probable cause. Then they issue that to the judge, get their secret warrant, then make the non-legal wiretap legal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Also parallel construction is a thing

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

I imagine that the hold up was trying to find out who his friends are and what they were preparing for.

The neighbor reported that Mr. Spafford had told him that he and his friends were “preparing for something” that he “would not be able to do alone,” the court papers said.

My suspicion is that he and his friends were planning on taking out Harris (and maybe others) if she won the election. Since Trump won, they are moving now before he and his friends can dispose of evidence.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do they just have group chats on telegram where they hype each other up and finally one yells “Leroy Jenkins” and runs off to do something stupid?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

If so where's my invite (NOT A COP)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Fascism =/= nihilism. The hegemonic narrative doesn't understand anarchism, nihilism, leftism, etc...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Thank god people like this aren't in any positions of power. /s

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] BrundleFly2077 2 points 1 week ago

“Messaging”

[–] HellsBelle 5 points 1 week ago
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