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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

(Verse 1) When the kids hit the floor, but they ask us for more, That's Amer'ca. When the lives of the poor are ignored by the law, That's Amer'ca.

(Chorus) Watch them plead, watch them die, while the courts close an eye, That's Amer'ca. If the rich man falls, then the gallows will call, That's Amer'ca.

(Verse 2) You can slaughter a class, and they’ll let it all pass, That's Amer'ca. But for one CEO, they’ll demand death row, That's Amer'ca.

(Chorus) Where the guilty walk free, and the children just bleed, That's Amer'ca. If your crime’s against power, you’re gone in an hour, That's Amer'ca.

(Bridge) It’s a system of lies where the powerless die, And their screams hit the sky, unanswered, denied, That’s Amer’ca.

(Outro) So remember the game, it’s a broken refrain, That's Amer'ca. When a life’s worth is weighed by the dollars displayed, That's Amer'ca.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The law isn't about morality or social good or promoting the general order; it's about power and who wields it. The law is fundamentally a vehicle through which those who stand atop social hierarchies can command, exploit, and do violence to those less powerful. A CEO can kill tens of thousands of Americans every year with a pen and that isn't murder: a coal company can poison generations and that isn't murder: a police department can force homeless people to flee from place to place until they die from exposure and that isn't murder. The law exists to protect and promote the interests of the powerful, because that is what legal systems are designed to do.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

And that's why we fight back where we can and weaponize what we can; that's why we use jury nullification in cases like these.

It wasn't Luigi.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Can confirm, was playing couch split screen Madden with him all night. We drank a few beers and he crashed in the spare room

..and believe you me your honor, I am a light sleeper and always wake up when the front door opens and closes in this apartment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Ultimately, there is a better strategy to jury nullification:

https://beyondcourts.org/sites/default/files/2022-07/Jury-Nullification-Toolkit-English_0.pdf

TL;DR: It is most effective to plant seeds of doubt when reasonable, and legitimate ones. For this particular case, it would be the fact that the eyebrows don't match between pictures, the police said they had found the backpack in NY only to then say they found him with his backpack at McDonalds, the fact that Luigi claims shit was planted on him and the police have a running history of planting evidence to suit their needs, etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

You’re absolutely right, I was conflating the manhunt and trial.

The faces don’t match, and keeping the gun would be my reasonable doubt. No reason to keep something you can print again anytime. The police’s history speaks for itself, no verdict

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

You're right. In fact, it wasn't a human at all! It was St. Michael the Archangel himself, personally coming down from on high to smite the wicked and the greedy! It's not Luigi's fault that he just happens to look a bit like St. Michael!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

It's a bit absurd to me to compare the charges to the end result.

What are some examples of school shooters in a capital punishment state (or who were charged federally) whose prosecutors did not try to pursue a death sentence?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

The age/race/economic level/crimes/charges/verdicts graph is one that is…intriguing in a scientific sense and likely necessary to show in crayon picture form to the next administration, but god DAMN do I not want to be the statistician that researches all that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 hours ago

If they kill him, this is it.

[–] [email protected] 110 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The January 6th insurrection of 2020 was orchestrated and led by Donald Trump. Several nobodies have been charged and imprisoned over their miniscule contributions to the attack on our government. But the ringleader, the orchestrator, the figurehead behind it all faced no charges, no consequences, and was just reappointed to the highest office in the land. We don't need Luigi to see that there is no justice inherent in the system. Justice is blind (to the misdeeds of the wealthy).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

So you're saying Luigi's attorney should build his case around Luigi's massive wealth? /joke

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure they will. But there's an enormous gulf between people who have millions of dollars, and people who represent multi-billion dollar corporations. The difference between a million and a billion dollars is basically about a billion dollars.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

TBF nobody Brian Thompson knew is at any disadvantage as a result of his death, Luigi isn't being sued so it's not Luigi vs a multibillion dollar corporation. It's not like Luigi actually did anything to harm the corporations, they're all still standing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

People keep parroting this statement. I'm so confused because it does not hold up to any scrutiny.

If you think for 5 seconds, school shooters aren't charged with the death penalty because they overwhelmingly kill themselves or die during the shooting. They are also usually children, which might get them more lenient sentences.

This type of surface level logic just makes the supporting side look bad. There are far better comparisons to draw from

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 hours ago

FWIW I'm not advocating for school shooters to get the death penalty.

[–] Apytele 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Also didn't NY State abolish the death penalty? Or can he be charged with a federal crime to override that?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago

Yes and yes.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The main purpose of law enforcement is to protect property, but their second job is to protect the wealthy. So if someone manages to harm the wealthy, they take that personally.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

That certainly explains the difference in how they handle female and male rape victims. Female rape victims are a property crime and male rape victims are beta cucks. This is how they see it.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

~~The Justice Department~~

The Just Us Department

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I pledge a grievance to the flag and blah blah blah with liberty for just us not all

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

*with liberty and justice for some

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I'm still trying to figure out where the federal jurisdiction is in a simple murder, it's not a serial thing, a hate crime, or a crime conducted across state lines. Could the federal government really just be charging anyone with simple murder?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

He crossed state lines to do it, so I guess that's the reason.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Unironically it is due to him using a phone across state lines in order to stalk the CEO first as well as the bus.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That is the flimsiest crap I've ever heard. There's been a problem with stalkers not getting prosecuted for decades and now suddenly they're so interested they get charges in a matter of days?

The double standard could not be more clear. The people are left to fend for themselves while the federal government uses every tiny scrap of power to defend the wealthy.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 hours ago

yeap, this whole thing seems like a show.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder if the next shooter, if they survive the attack, will also be paraded around the same way. Hopefully we find out sooner than later.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Some guy in Michigan stabbed his boss to death recently and the answer is no. People actually don't seem to care at all, even.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The reporting that the guy stabbing is a copycat crime is 100% promoted from the media. He's some random dude that stabbed his boss. I believe that some are trying to group him into the same category as the UHC shooter, random stuff like this probably happens every day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

I've seen people in these very comments claim him as part of their "movement." I guess we won't know for sure unless they get interviews or something.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

I'm not sure how politically motivated that was. The story I read was he was in a higher level position, in a morning meeting. Quickly left the meeting, showed back up 5 minutes later with a "surgical mask" and stabbed the boss before running off. The boss survived, the guy was probably a run of the mill psycho and probably didn't put the same amount of thought into it as Luigi did.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 hours ago

They hanged John Brown too.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 11 hours ago (19 children)

Source for anyone interested. I was initially confused since New York got rid of the death penalty decades ago, but it's from a new federal charge I hadn't seen yet.

As far as I can find they haven't officially said they're pursuing the death penalty for this charge just that this charge is eligible for it. I see no other reason for it though.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/dec/19/luigi-mangione-eligible-death-penalty-new-federal-/

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 hours ago

Damn. They are genuinely scared shitless by this. They are not pulling any punches either. And there is nothing more dangerous than a group of powerful people who are scared.

This is why the constitution has an amendment about cruel and unusual punishment. But we know that those in power have (decades-) long abandoned the constitution.

I believe the genuine terrorism has been the US gov, and it’s been a long time in the making. They’ve spent generations conditioning us all that it’s somebody else’s dilemma. I hope their fervor to scare us back in line backfires extraordinarily.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 hours ago

They're going to do everything in their power to ensure he doesn't get a jury of his peers.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Wait. The federal government still has death penalty?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 hours ago

In the US, yes. It's pretty contentious and hasn't been used much.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/state-and-federal-info/federal-death-penalty

Unsurprisingly a large number of them occured under Trump's administration.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_federal_government

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

Yeah, that's why actually charging Trump for the insurrection would be so much of an issue. It would make him an enemy of the state, and anyone who aided him would be considered guilty of treason. The sentence for Treason is life or death. (Life in prison, or the death penalty)

One could argue that giving money to someone is aid .. thereby all of the GOP would be guilty of treason... And that would throw us into chaos

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 hours ago

He is an enemy of the State, in the most literal sense of the phrase. He tried to overthrow the legitimate government FFS!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Holy shit, that’s serious. Thankfully he’s supposedly rich, so non of this applies to him. Instead he gets another 4 years of insurrection.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 hours ago

Well this time he didn't need an insurrection, the American people just gave him the job back knowing what he did previously. The fact that no one even tries to say he is a decent person or a good person, and he's who got picked, says a lot about our population.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 hours ago

There is a sickness in blind faith to hierarchy.

There is fallacy in the belief that things rightfully live above others.

There is madness in the mind who puts such weight of importance on a single individual whom, before his death, most did not know his name.

He was man, not a god, and he had to be shown that.

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