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Source for anyone interested. I was initially confused since New York got rid of the death penalty decades ago, but it's from a new federal charge I hadn't seen yet.
As far as I can find they haven't officially said they're pursuing the death penalty for this charge just that this charge is eligible for it. I see no other reason for it though.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/dec/19/luigi-mangione-eligible-death-penalty-new-federal-/
They're going to do everything in their power to ensure he doesn't get a jury of his peers.
Damn. They are genuinely scared shitless by this. They are not pulling any punches either. And there is nothing more dangerous than a group of powerful people who are scared.
This is why the constitution has an amendment about cruel and unusual punishment. But we know that those in power have (decades-) long abandoned the constitution.
I believe the genuine terrorism has been the US gov, and it’s been a long time in the making. They’ve spent generations conditioning us all that it’s somebody else’s dilemma. I hope their fervor to scare us back in line backfires extraordinarily.
Wait. The federal government still has death penalty?
In the US, yes. It's pretty contentious and hasn't been used much.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/state-and-federal-info/federal-death-penalty
Unsurprisingly a large number of them occured under Trump's administration.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_federal_government
Yeah, that's why actually charging Trump for the insurrection would be so much of an issue. It would make him an enemy of the state, and anyone who aided him would be considered guilty of treason. The sentence for Treason is life or death. (Life in prison, or the death penalty)
One could argue that giving money to someone is aid .. thereby all of the GOP would be guilty of treason... And that would throw us into chaos
He is an enemy of the State, in the most literal sense of the phrase. He tried to overthrow the legitimate government FFS!
Holy shit, that’s serious. Thankfully he’s supposedly rich, so non of this applies to him. Instead he gets another 4 years of insurrection.
Well this time he didn't need an insurrection, the American people just gave him the job back knowing what he did previously. The fact that no one even tries to say he is a decent person or a good person, and he's who got picked, says a lot about our population.
Not to discredit the opinion, but don't most school shooters (if not all -I don't really pay attention) get killed on site and also have a personal grievance rather than just manipulation by media and statistics? Mangione seemed poised to become a serial killer. If he's free'd, it tells society it's ok to go around killing allegedly bad people (and ~20% of us are incredibly gullible conspiracy theorists -percent will be higher on certain sites on the internet as opposed to real life).
We also have to wonder how much more effective long term Mangione could have been alive and free.
That's pure speculation. And I hate to tell you this but people don't typically get sentence for "future crimes".
Not yet, give Trump a couple more months
He killed a serial killer. And killing multiple serial killers is a societal good (as long as the state isn't the one doing the killing).
Denying people certain services does not equate to murder.
Should I kill a CEO for approving VIOXX which caused heart disease, intense abdominal pain, and GERD? -How about the doctor for prescribing it over an extremely minor issue? -Then there's the subsequent prescription ant-acids that can cause stomach cancer. -What about their responsibility when lemon water with cayenne worked as good or better?
When I tore rotator cuffs, I was denied surgery from the insurance company because they were only up to 40% tears. -I recovered for the most part and am glad I didn't get the risky surgery.
I was told I needed a hernia operatation (umbilical). Other people got it and ended up needing follow up surgery. Every surgery is a risk of your life.
So without knowing specifics (I have yet to see any among all this nonsense), I'm not supporting blatant killing which is what Mangione did. -Or show me how the CEO was directly responsible without resorting to propaganda (which statistics typically are).
When it comes to denying claims, multiple reports suggest that UHC, which is the country’s largest health insurer and serves some 50 million people, is an industry leader, with a rate nearly double the industry average. A recent Senate report slammed the company for denying nursing care to patients recovering from falls and strokes on its Medicare Advantage plans, and it currently faces a class action lawsuit for its use of AI algorithms to automatically refuse payment.
Statistics are used for propaganda and lawsuits are not guilty verdicts. Without sitting in that courtroom, we shouldn't be acting like jurors.
Here’s the thing: I specifically selected a passage which had three different types of evidence (the whole article has more) because you wanted specifics but not statistics. So given that, was the senate report convincing?
If not, please think about what sort of information you might want to support the concept that the CEO was culpable. Personally I would look for statistics in this type of situation and simply evaluate them myself to see if they are misleading, because statistics seem like the only way to separate one CEO from another.
If there’s not a type of evidence that would work, you’re not holding a neutral position.
"because I wasn't mistreated, I'm ok with the mistreatment of others."
that's what you said.
You are right but probably answering to a shit stirring bot or a 13yo edgelord.
Making him a hero is fucked up and cringe, even if the other guy was worse.
No, they don't. And I'm not sure why you think that he planned to continue killing, unless you know something we don't.
Was he an idiot? Why would he have been found with the murder weapon and a manifesto? If I were out to kill one person, both of those would be the first things I'd get rid of.
Ok, maybe I can agree that he was an idiot.
edit: yes! The fact that he was found with those can lead to different / harsher charges.
this is who you're defending.
You don't even know to source your propaganda. For all we know, it's The Onion or The National Enquirer.
-Maybe stay out of the debate on it?
🎶mmmm lick my chocolate salty source.
put it in your mouth and suck em!🎶
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/slain-healthcare-ceos-life-airbrushed
A prankster? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Klippenstein
In July 2019, Klippenstein was covered in the media after a Twitter incident in which he was retweeted by Iowa Congressman Steve King just before changing his Twitter display name to "Steve King is a white supremacist".[45][46][47] In March 2021, Klippenstein pranked author Naomi Wolf by recommending she tweet an image of a fabricated anti-vaxxer quotation paired with a picture of American pornography actor Johnny Sins.[48]
On Memorial Day 2021, Klippenstein tricked political commentators Dinesh D'Souza and Matt Schlapp, as well as Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz, into retweeting a photograph of John F. Kennedy's assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, whom Klippenstein claimed was his veteran grandfather.[49] After being retweeted by Gaetz, Klippenstein changed his display name on Twitter to be "matt gaetz is a pedo". Gaetz later deleted his retweet.[50][51]
you don't even read your own sources. 🤡