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Summary

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy asserted that no world leader has the right to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin on behalf of Ukraine.

Speaking to Le Parisien readers, Zelenskyy emphasized that Ukraine alone determines its future and any dialogue with Russia must follow a peace plan based on strength and international support.

He warned against negotiating without clear guarantees of security, highlighting the risks of Putin resuming aggression after a ceasefire.

Zelenskyy called for a strategy ensuring Ukraine's long-term stability and security, beyond NATO or EU membership timelines.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (60 children)

I am so sad by how Ukraine has been handled.

The West should have been an overwhelming power against Russian imperialism. Ukraine should have been given everything from the beginning, no strings attached, with no self-imposed red lines.

They will swallow another democracy in 10-20 years and the cycle repeats.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Yep. It was a sad excuse not to intervene in 2014, but now? Pathetic.

[–] JohnDClay 27 points 2 days ago

And that would likely have ended the war sooner, causing less people to die, and making Putin less likely to try something like it in the future.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tactically, the plan is to make Russia bleed to death rather than temporarily paralyse it.

Maximizing the loss of russian life and draining the russian economy to the point that the population won't tolerate any further war is the goal. It's unfortunate that this is at the cost of ongoing war in Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is a solid take, but the other side of the issue is the question of how long will it take the brainwashed Russian population to realize the economy has passed a point of no return? Outside of major cities much of Russia lives in 3rd world poverty. Will they even notice if the ruble falls to zero?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Some might not notice a change in the economy, but they will notice that their sons are being taken and that they are not coming back.

Approximately 1 in 1000 Russian males have now been killed. How many more will have to die for the average Russian to say "no more" is a tough question.

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[–] [email protected] 363 points 3 days ago (15 children)

It's fucking ridiculous he has to say it out loud

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

The comments are peak internet dumpster fire 🍿

[–] [email protected] 98 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

This is arguably the whole point of the war.

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