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[–] [email protected] 147 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Ah yes, you know what's better than a taxi driver? A taxi driver who relies on a camera with a limited field of vision, experiences input and video lag, and receives none of the tactile sensations that allow drivers to gauge road conditions.

[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 month ago (1 children)

also one that has no personal stake in the safety of their driving

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Yeah, but you're ignoring one thing. I don't have to sit awkwardly hoping the driver doesn't talk to me. The risk/reward here might be screwed but I live dangerously.

Plus I welcome the opportunity to sue/fuck-over elon.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

People who don't drive themselves will be responsible for the UI of all this.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This really just comes down to people in a certain income brackets are uncomfortable being in close contact with a working class person.

That's why they don't like trains, that's why they don't like taxis.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I just love we have this nice simple solution to fix traffic congestion and its been around for so long. It even hurts when people say "im forced to take public transit" like really? Owning a car is not a right. I personally do not get the hate for public transportation.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My father when he visits the city to see me refuses to use the subway, even though it's a five minute ride from where he parks his car - he ubers instead. It's because he is frightened being trapped in a box with the poors.

When i got into work, coworkers asked me how i got in and i said Subway, they joked about having to avoid getting stabbed.

My friends are voting conservative in the upcoming election because they've seen too many poor people on the street engaging in anti-social behaviour (being drunk, and talking loud)

It's fucking insanity to me.

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[–] PennyRoyal 118 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“Remotely control”, or “drive” if you will.

[–] Tar_alcaran 94 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Only with worse vision, worse reflexes and probably worse pay

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And without survival instinct or adrenaline to distract during decisions, great!

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

Worse pay and worse working conditions is the killer app of “tech” these days.

[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 month ago (2 children)

3 weeks later:

"Your honour, it was the ping!"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Prosecution calls first witness; my teenage neighbor nemesis, his 28.8k baud modem, and Warcraft2

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Hey more jobs for taxi drivers and safer to do from the comfort of your home. Just like a drone pilot!

Who would have thought that Taxi drivers one day would be able to work from home?

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Lots of taxi drivers are already reckless. Imagine if they can drive remotely!

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They'll be driving multiple cars at the same time, while drunk.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Can't wait for the first 8 year old to be on trial for manslaughter because his dad had to go to the bathroom but didn't want to lose his fare.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Nah, they'll still have to come into the office 3-4 days a week for "collaboration" and "cross-team building". But they can do their drone whatsyhootzit from their cramped cubicles!

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Waymo is doing the same. Mostly self-driving but when they get stuck a human at a help center takes the sticks. There are a lot of edge cases in the real world so it makes sense to just have the car programmed to be very conservative and let a human deal with it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

My concern is that some driving situations need to be resolved immediately. That handover could be an issue.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The self-driving taxis and humanoid robots companies like Tesla are developing are just a thinly disguised way of getting around immigration law. We're a very long way away from having autonomous humanoid robots that can clean your house for you. But one remotely piloted by someone in Bangladesh wearing a haptic suit? If the tech was cheap enough, that sort of thing would be profitable.

It's effectively an extremely perverse and exploitive form of immigration. When we bring immigrants in, they typically take low-level jobs. But they also get opportunities to advance themselves further. Moreover, in the US at least, any children immigrants have on US soil automatically become US citizens. So yes, immigrants come in on the bottom of the social ladder, but they have an opportunity to climb.

Here though? This is a way of getting all the labor we want from immigrants but without offering them the usual deal in return. And even worse, they won't even be owed minimum wage.

[–] Grandwolf319 9 points 1 month ago

Not only that, there is now a middleman involved so the citizens still get screwed instead of being able to access cheap labour directly.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

And to quote the comic:

"Crowdsourced steering" doesn't sound quite as appealing as "self driving."

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

“CLASS D LICENSE!”

[–] Grandwolf319 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tesla would not be the first robotaxi company to use this method. In fact, it’s an industry standard. It was previously reported that Cruise, the robotaxi company owned by General Motors, was employing remote human assistants to troubleshoot when its vehicles ran into trouble (the vehicles appear to have run into trouble every four to five miles). Google’s Waymo is also thought to employ the same practice, as does Zoox, the robotaxi firm owned by Amazon.

Ah, the old mechanical Turk trick. This time with chance of man slaughter.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When are people ever going to figure out that Tesla's "autopilot" is a freaking scam?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So does he now want people working from home or not?

He's very inconsistent.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Oh, don't mistake. They'll still have to go into an office, they'll just be driving the cars remotely, most likely.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"How was your day, honey ?"

"I killed thirty people in a pile-up on Hwy74 remotely. I'll be a little late."

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is gonna kill people from the input lag alone.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

There was an incident not too long ago where one of these robo-taxis ran a woman over to avoid another car doing something it didn't expect and then it froze up and wouldn't move at all with the woman trapped under the car. There wasn't a driver to get out and help and it took a few minutes for bystanders to get involved to help her, and she ended up dying at the scene.

If we can't get rid of these monstrosities, at least having a human monitoring them that can call 911 is important, but that still doesn't solve the problem of there not being a human present to render aid if something goes wrong. (Not to imply that every human will be willing or able to render aid, but some chance of help is better than no chance of help.)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Just subreptitiously sell it as a video game, you won't even have to pay the drivers. I don't see what could go wrong with this plan.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago
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[–] Jocker 20 points 1 month ago

I'm in, with generations of GTA experience

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

How about hiring people to drive the taxis.... Instead of hiring people to remotely drive the taxi... What exactly would be the difference??? Except actually having the driver in the vehicle is proven to work....

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

You can hire someone in another country to drive remotely, so can find cheaper labor. They could also theoretically have them multitask driving multiple vehicles at once.

Edit to clarify, I don't think this is good, but I think people trying to make money (eg Musk) will push for these kinds of things regardless of the safety.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

6 months from now it will be illegal to report crashes involving these cars.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

scammers pull the same shit over the world since the mechanical turk. at this point the joke's on us.

[–] HellsBelle 15 points 1 month ago

ahahahahahaha!!

That's freaking hilarious. Muskie is an idjit.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

That's like a normal taxi with extra steps!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Indian tech supports strike again

[–] wheeldawg 10 points 1 month ago

Should be totally shut down until self diving is perfected. Shouldn't even be allowed the chance to lie about it.

Also they should get taxed into the ground. Like $5,000 Bill for signing a new customer up, and $60k every time the service is used. Daddy Warbucks can afford it and he be fixing the economy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

This is what's known as a pro gamer move.

Bonus points if you land a jump.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

It is long past time we got over our child-like worship of billionaires.

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