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[–] [email protected] 107 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 weeks ago

That was there before 133, don’t remember the exact release that added it.

[–] nu11 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't understand the hate. It's just a sidebar for the supported LLMs. Maybe I'm misunderstanding?

Yes, I would prefer Mozilla focus on the browser, but to me, this seems like it was done in an afternoon.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It seems like common cynicism. Mozilla adds this feature, as not to yield major features to other browsers. Mozilla's lets you natively have lots of different AI solutions to pick from.

Not every feature is for everyone. Not every feature is done being improved on at release.

And in spite of popular opinions, organizations don't do just one thing and then do just the next thing and the thing after that. Organizations can and do focus on and prioritize many things at the same time.

And for people who are naysaying AI at every mention, it has a lot of great and fascinating uses, and if you think otherwise, you really should try them more. I've used it plenty for work and life. It's not going away, might as well do some nice things with it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I want my browser to be a browser. I don't want Pocket, I don't want AI, I don't want bullshit. There are plugins for that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

that's the great thing: you don't have to use it

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Unpopular opinion, I think they're doing it right as well as it can be at least. It's completely optional and doesn't seem to be intrusive.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

yeah its not google chrome level which i'm thankful about.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm way more pissed about restarting my PC after an update and having Copilot installed without my permission.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Thing is, for your average user with no GPU and whp never thinks about RAM, running a local LLM is intimidating. But it shouldn't be. Any system with an integrated GPU, and the more RAM the better, can run simple models locally.

The not so dirty secret is that ChatGPT 3 vs 4 isn't that big a difference, and neither are leaps and bounds ahead of the publically available models for about 99% of tasks. For that 1% people will ooh and aah over it, but 99% of use cases are only seeing marginal gains on 4o.

And the simplified models that run "only" 95% as well? They can use 90% fewer resources give pretty much identical answers outside of hyperspecific use cases.

Running a a "smol" model as some are called, gets you all the bang for none of the buck, and your data stays on your system and never leaves.

I've been yelling from the rooftops to some stupid corporate types that once the model is trained, it's trained. Unless you are training models yourself, there is no need for the massive AI clusters, just for the model. Run it local on your hardware at a fraction of the cost.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Can you point me to some resources to running smol llm?

My use case prob just to help "typing" miscellaneous idea I have or check for my grammatical error, in english.

Thanks, in advance.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They better not decide to enable it by default.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

it's not enabled by default ... it's opt out by default

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think that means that it's opt-in.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

if third-party accounts are needed, it'll have to stay that way.

[–] fibojoly 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Didn't want it in Opera, don't want it in Firefox. I mean they can keep trying and I'll just keep on ignoring this shit :/

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I wish I had telemetry on such features.

I really doubt a significant number of people use AI chatbots often enough that having it in a dedicated sidebar is worth it.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for nothing, Mozilla.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They should raise the ceo's pay some more to celebrate.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

And fire a few employees just cause.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

as someone who's never dabbled with ai bots, what does this feature do? is it only to query for information like a web search?

[–] Furball 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It just adds ChatGPT or similar to your sidebar. Chatbots can do a lot of things, they are mostly good for information research and technical help, although they have serious flaws like hallucinating false information sometimes

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

From the description in the UI, it does sound like it. Theoretically, a chatbot could be created where you can ask questions about the webpage you have currently opened, so if you don't want to read a long article, for example. I guess, you could probably just throw a link into an existing chatbot either way, but yeah, direct integration might be convenient either way.

Well, or a chatbot could be created, which has access to your browser history, bookmarks and tabs, so you can ask it when you last saw certain information. However, you'd need a locally running chatbot for that, which makes it more difficult to implement.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

why a fucking chatbot? translate a page better for me you fucking losers, all the translation options suck for privacy outside of specifically trained local AIs. this is the BEST use case for a small local LLM yet mozilla with all its brains and resources couldnt rub two neurons together for this.

or they could do character prediction on your typing to make typing faster. just some legit examples, why waste resources to build a chat ai into my browser when i can just open a website???

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I mean, if you're going to do it, where's the Ollama love?

[–] fruitycoder 4 points 2 weeks ago

I was disappointed there was no local option...

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Luckily, it seems to be disabled by default. At the moment.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Are any of these open source or trustworthy?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

I think Mistral is model-available (ie I'm not sure if they release training data/code but they do release model shape and weights), huggingchat definitely is open source and model-available

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This happened ages ago, didn't it? Am I missing something new?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, it did. That feature has been there at least since when Mozilla enabled "Firefox labs" section in settings by default a few months ago, and maybe even earlier than that

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, this month in particular....

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

For a second I thought it said "experimental failure". Would be more accurate, I think.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Now add support for GPT4All and everyone is happy again.

[–] fruitycoder 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I will say, the Le Chat provider is pretty decent. You really can use it more natural language. "Rewrite it with a better rhyme scheme" "remove the last line" and it just got it.

Why no local option though? Why no anonmysing option?

Edit: There is a right click option which does make this officially actually useful for me now (summarize this!).

Other models do have RAG options and Mist real supports making agents with specified documentation too to at least fine tune too (not as good as full grounding though IMHO)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

If they do it in a privacy-preseeving way, this could help them get back market share which will generally benefit an open internet.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Wasn't this there for a while, or just me.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Wow, great job Firefox. Thanks.

If I wanted unreliable bullshit like AI, I'd use Chrome.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder if this can be removed at compile time, like Pocket.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sigh. I'm glad to have switched to LibreWolf.

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