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[–] [email protected] 139 points 6 days ago (3 children)

wow. kudos for being the "now that it's too late to have an impact, i'm going to do the thing i should have done many months ago" president

[–] [email protected] 110 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Long range missiles can have a lot of impact in a short time.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 6 days ago (1 children)

all the more reason this (among other things) should have happened many months ago

[–] [email protected] 72 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, but now is better than never.

God knows Trump wouldn’t authorize it.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

you're right. i'm just salty because we live in a fascist dictatorship now

we're basically russia. could biden have even done anything? i don't even know

[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 days ago (3 children)

As long as we draw breath it ain’t over.

Get out there and organize.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (4 children)

how do you organize with people who refuse to consider anything other than "maybe it won't be that bad" or worse?

if you have a network of people who you trust and are actually willing to take some kind of action beyond "oh well i guess this is life now," then i'm officially jealous

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well, a network of likeminded people won’t just find you. It’s something you’ve gotta seek out.

Look for local non-profits and political groups that advocate for the positions you care about and get involved.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Not exactly russia.

I know 2nd trump term is terrifying, I'm not denying that this will be worse than his first term, but the difference is that the US has the separation of powers between the states and the federal government. The check and balance within the federal government is gone, but we still have this final line of defence, that is federalism. States can resist tyranny of the federal government, if they have the willingness to do so. Remember, that states run elections, swing states do not all have a republican trifecta. And even in republican trifecta states, there is still the state judiciary, and we might still have some of those non-magas republicans like Raffensperger.

The election in 2026 will likely be less free and fair than 2024, but with a large enough democratic margin of victory, democrats can still take back the house, maybe senate.

Maybe I'm in denial, but I consider this view to be optimism. I thought people like Raffensperger would just cave in and do whatever trump wanted but they didn't.

Don't give up hope. We'll soon see if federalism really works, if states would find the will to resist a tyrannical federal government.

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[–] Reverendender 11 points 6 days ago

Oh no, one missile went astray and hit Mar-a-Lago. OH NO WE"RE SO SORRY

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Now give them a thousand tomahawks and the location of every single Putin palace.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, only allowed in Kursk

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (13 children)

Too late.

Americans chose to abandon Ukraine when they elected Donald Trump and his Republican enablers.

Russia will win, there will be one less democratic nation on the planet, Russia will expand their borders, and Europe/NATO will be threatened.

Thanks conservatives, 3rd party voters, single issue voters, and non-voters. You really thought this one through.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

They failed long before the Trumpanzee was voted in. This is just last moment desperation after they not only failed to support Ukraine, but failed to stop the Russian propaganda and bribery machine in the US.

But, Americans aren't wrong that they also failed long before this. They failed to support the people in favor of corporate interests. They failed to deal stop the Republicans from stacking the courts.

They failed because time and time again, they would rather try to appeal to Republican voters who will NEVER switch sides or change that minds in any significant number, while ignoring the issues that have decimated support with their own base and claiming to have the moral high ground.

Thks isn't just on the people that didn't show up to vote, but also the people in government that let it get to this point by continually failing to act.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I believe NYT makes you login, even on a gift link. Here is a TLDR:

President Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to strike Russian and North Korean forces in Russia, a significant shift in U.S. policy. This decision comes in response to Russia’s introduction of North Korean troops into the conflict and their anticipated assault on Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region.

The move reflects growing concerns over Ukraine’s ability to withstand simultaneous assaults while defending territory. The authorization aims to bolster Ukraine’s defense, target high-value military assets, and deter North Korean involvement. However, it has sparked debate among U.S. officials over escalation risks, as Russia might retaliate against the U.S. or its allies.

President-elect Donald Trump, who has vowed to reduce U.S. support for Ukraine, is set to take office in two months, adding urgency to the decision. The Ukrainian strategy may include using captured Russian territory in Kursk as leverage in potential future negotiations. Meanwhile, the risk of Russian countermeasures remains a central concern for Biden’s administration and its allies.

My take: I’ve been waiting on this since the US election. It’s sound strategy of we believe Putin won’t want to escalate with NATO before Trump takes office.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The other side of this is that once it's allowed, Trump would have to take it away.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I think Trump will simply stop sending any new munitions.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Possible, but other countries that have such weapons are sure to follow and allow the use now.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Too little, too late. Just allowing it in kursk.

At least uk and france gave ukraine the green for using their weaponry in russia.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

Yes, there should have never been these ridiculous restrictions.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

While they won't be able to reach Moscow with these, even from within Kursk, I am willing to bet the authorization was withheld on intelligence grounds. A lot of things in the war make sense if you look at it from the perspective that arms support can't be guaranteed.

Instead of letting Ukraine just burn through weapons, the US and allies have waited until they have the full operational capability to deploy the weapons with extreme effectiveness. They've had ATACMS for a while, so I suspect they held off deep strikes until the most effective targets had been identified and the likelihood of effective strike was near certain.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That's giving everyone involved a lot of credit. To be honest, I sort of doubt these decisions were quite that rational.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

Blindly stumbling along then trying to pretend it was 4D chess all along sounds much more like us

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago

Better late than never, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago

Kremlin. Go for Kremlin.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

I’m seeing a lot of comments taking this literally or saying why didn’t he do this before –

You all realise this is a very powerful symbolic gesture, right? This is a diplomatic move, not a literal one. The president of the US would never strike at this time in this kind of proxy war, and this is the closest ‘fuck you’ he can issue at Russia (which, again, would not be said aloud).

There’s nothing the US president could do to poke the Russian bear –other than escalate it to a hot war – other than this. This is an outgoing diplomatic move, and that is all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Kill those Russians. Target the North Korean troops.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Burn Moscow to the ground

[–] ryedaft 11 points 6 days ago

They only have 300 km range. They are very nice but still. Pretty sure Ukraine has struck further inland with drones.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

There's obviously no logic whatsoever in allowing Russia to attack Ukraine freely from within its own borders while Ukraine is allowed to only defend inside its own borders. And Russia even thinks Crimea is part of Russia by some fucked up kindergarten bully logic.

No war ever in the history of mankind has followed such logic and neither does this one. If Russia threatens the use of nuclear weapons, then it is doing that without any sensible reason and it might have just as well done that without any war going on anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Good move by Biden.

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