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Form your own party. Dump the useless liberals. Reconstitute the SPA and team up with the unions.
Thats more of a step 2 or 3. Step 1 is that everybody needs to start putting pressure on the DNC and make sure they understand that we’re not going to take it anymore. And I’m not referring to that bullshit “not voting” rhetoric, because not voting is tantamount to voting republican.
Once the DNC is forced to listen to us plebs again, then it’ll be a good time to look at breaking out into more parties. But we need to put the fear of whomever they pray to in them first.
The reality of American political process is that it takes at least a billion dollars to run a Presidential campaign. (Thanks, SCOTUS) That kind of money doesn't come from unions, social activists, or proletariat donors. It comes from corporations and billionaires, and those people don't like revolution.
Until someone can demonstrate that you can get more votes with progressive, worker-friendly policy proposals than with a well funded propaganda machine, the DNC is going to keep chasing the less conservative billionaires. And no third party will even be relevant.
The thing is, a message that’s simple, resonates, and allows people to blame others will always win out over a message calling people to pull their own weight and do the complicated but correct things.
If they really cared about "country over party" they'd vehemently support ranked choice voting at all levels of government and an end to gerrymandering. Even though the Democrats aren't really extremists our political system will continue to prop up extreme views if everything is identity politics and there are only two you can choose from.
Step 1 is already done, and now institutional resistance from inside the party is the problem. So it is in fact time for step 2, there’s enough of a body of voters to start building it.
The trick is that to subsume the DNC in the next ten years or so, the party has to form a coalition with it for now while remaining separate. That could achieve two goals: first, put a lot of pressure on Republicans they aren’t ready for. Next, create a strong leftward tension that just isn’t represented right now and which the Democrats will be walled off from controlling.
It’s sort of what happened with the Tea Party / MAGA.
The dnc is never going to listen to the plebs because they only answer the money, and we don't have it. As long as people keep participating in their game of electoral politics, nothing will change. Let them lose several elections in a row, and maybe they'll see the light or fade off into obscurity, which is the preferred method.
Doubt we have two or three elections left in us.
Look, I’m right there with you and this defeatist feeling. You and me by ourselves can’t do shit. But guess what? There’s millions of us. And for decades it’s been beaten into our heads that we are powerless; that we are nothing because we are not rich.
There was a time where there was a group of people who were treated far worse than we’re being treated now. They had so much less than us, and got treated so much worse than us. Yet somehow, they fought back. And while they’re still fighting, they’ve made huge inroads with the status quo that it’s left its mark for the rest of time.
If they can do that, then the least we can do is scare the shit out of a bunch of idjits at the DNC.
That's what they did this election, and we got fascism and the DNC doesn't matter anymore. So now what?
You know you can do more than pressure them, right? You can get involved with your state party, which in turn elects the leaders of the national party. You can vote in the primaries and kick out corporate Dems. We know this works because it's precisely how the fascists took over the Republican party.
Yup. Call your Senators and tell them you have no faith in the party leadership, and that Chuck Shcumer cannot continue as Senate Minority Leader. If they're up for reelection in the next two years, tell them you're happy to support a primary challenger if it's the only way to get change.
"Form your own party. "
Good luck with getting ballot access.
But no need to start from scratch - here's a list of political parties in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States
Unfortunately, Bernie will not be the one to lead that. Social Democrats fundamentally have to side with and cater to the bourgeoisie as they depend on Capitalism, unless you mean to advocate for a real revolutionary Socialist party. In the latter case, PSL already exists, and the DSA has powerful Marxist caucuses like Red Star and MUG that are close to gaining over 50% control of the party. I wrote an introductory reading list for Marxism if that appeals to you or anyone else.
I just don't get why we're not training and endorsing out the next group with all this press. Sanders and Warren need to back and/or start a coalition of progressive up-and-coming leaders that they can help hone and introduce to the larger political landscape while they have the energy and influence. They need to stop being the only torch bearers and start bringing in underlings. Idc if they follow them around like a posse, might actually be better if they did. I would cuddle with Sanders all night if I could, I'm just tired of his name being the only one catching attention. The will try to bury any movement with him when his time comes, best to get ahead of it so momentum can keep going.
Warren lost any credibility in ~~2016~~ 2020. She shattered her legacy as fully as Biden is draggin his own name through a river of shit now.
Social Democrats will always cater to Liberals, because they both rest on the foundations of Capitalism. Social Democrats aren't trying to disrupt the system, but prod it towards more safety nets. Even if they raised successors, they would face the same struggles, because the DNC can't support itself without the blessing and support of the Bourgeoisie as their donors.
A truly destabilizing movement comes from outside the boundaries of the normal electoral system and depends on real, actual Worker Organization. That's why it's helpful to read theory. I wrote an introductory reading list for Marxism if that appeals to you or anyone else.
It's kind of scary to think that this man could literally die any day and there'll be nobody to take his place.
They could have been doing this the whole time lol.
Starting 40 years ago. They've been tripping over themselves to throat the Corporate dick for decades.
They are still tied to the DNC Party Line, so that's why they haven't. This is also why the DNC cannot and will never be a Worker Party, it's organized like a business that sells policy to wealthy Capitalists.
Warren can go fuck herself, She was one of several that backed out of the 2020 race to kneecap Bernie Because he was projected to win the Democrat nomination. People like Warren fucked all of us.
FWIW she actually didn't back out with the moderate candidates before Super Tuesday. She did after splitting the progressive vote between her and Bernie, giving Biden the win.
Too fucking late, maybe if no-path-to-win Warren didn’t stay in the primary race in 2020 we would of had sanders. But the democrats can’t run a primary without ratfucking it in favor of their corporate donors.
Good on Warren for saying this. I think that the attacks on Warren for staying in the 2020 primary were really overboard. She would have been a great candidate 🥲
Warren, along with the other candidates, colluded with the DNC to drop out en masse in favor of Biden. She, unlike Bernie, is a DNC card-carrying member who, despite her positive work and Progressive stance on Wall Street, played along with the machinations of the Democratic party. They ignored the will of the people.
If she had endorsed Sanders instead of accusing him of lying (second link), we might have had a different outcome. Moreover, Hillary implied he was sexist - a laughable accusation.
Warren lacked the convictions she needed when the time was right.
Holy shit, you just mind blasted me with a memory I had lost. That whole shit show between Bernie and Warren during a debate where she acted all fluffed and pissed off because Bernie was apparently somekind of sexist?! or at least the media and her team tried to play it that way but it completely backfired if I remember right.
Yeah, that was the gist of it.
She should have gotten the fuck out before super Tuesday.
Or ran in 2016 like Bernie asked her to do. But she sat it out because she wanted Clinton to run.
Too little too late.
Sanders has been trying this entire time. It's not his fault the DNC won't listen to him.
Too late. This shit is done.
Funny how you're getting downvoted, but this post saying the same thing isn't.
Do better, Lemmy. Quit dogpiling; this isn't Reddit.
If you make the exact same low content post a half hour after someone else, you're probably going to catch some downvotes.
Well that's because this post was made a half hour after the other post. Too little, too late to grab all of them sweet sweet fake internet points.
This kinda talk is the right kind, but at the wrong time.
We are well past the "You can vote fascism away" stage
Voting alone won't do it. But please remember, Pinochet was voted out.
We need to support local organization and action, because without that, the vote is powerless under a fascist regime. But the vote, combined with strong popular institutions, remains powerful in all but the most withered of fascist states.
I hate to say this, but it's too fucking late for any sort of electoral solution, at least on a national level. At this point we need to develop local capacity to secure our progressive enclaves in liberal states and big metropolitan areas. This means rooting out the conservative factions within our police and firing bad actors, as well as training community-based self-defense forces. We also need to build more effective local resilience and mutual aid networks so that the Federal government can't dangle emergency aid over us when pandemics and climate-related disasters recur, as they frequently will. We need politicians who will defend our territory, boundaries and values, and fight to discontinue the tremendous subsidy we pay to MAGA territories. We need more self-sufficient economies that trade primarily with healthy, rights-respecting economies in Canada and Europe. It's a heavy lift and unfortunately I don't see anyone up to the task right now, as even Bernie, Warren, and AOC are stubborn institutionalists who will continue trying to work within the system even as it works against them and their constituents.