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Following Donald Trump’s recent election victory, Google searches for “4B,” a South Korean feminist movement advocating a “no sex, no dating, no marriage, no children” stance, surged in the U.S.

The 4B movement, popular among young women on social media, promotes individual resistance against conservative politics and the erosion of reproductive rights.

The trend reflects a broader ideological divide between young men and women in the U.S., where women under 30 are significantly more liberal than men.

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[–] [email protected] 222 points 1 month ago (49 children)

“Young men expect sex, but they also want us to not be able to have access to abortion,” Thomas told The Post. “They can’t have both. Young women don’t want to be intimate with men who don’t fight for women’s rights; it’s showing they don’t respect us.”

Sounds reasonable and fair to me.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Understandable.

But sweaering of ALL men is neither healthy nor realistic and the 4B movement is not really helping the issue. Plua the movement is extremely transphobic and essentialist. Its just TERFs doing a thing again...

A more practical solution: Dont date MAGA and leave them if need be. Take the children from them as well. They deserve scorn for voting in a dictator, just because they cant get laid. And they deserve to be reminded on how parhetic they are for all of it every single das until they change.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Agreed. I also can understand the feelings behind this, but it seems to ignore that quite a number of women voted for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Bingo. My wife won’t vote for a woman president because she, not me, thinks that they’re too emotional. I know a decent amount of women in the workplace that feel the same way. I voted for Kamala because Trump is a paranoid narcissist that is a thief, liar, and can’t be trusted and she was a darn sight better to keep the boat moving predictably forward.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Women are too emotional to be president? Shit man, maga and their current figurehead are fueled by extremely volatile emotion, no matter how much they crow about facts vs feelings. Rage is an emotion, and it’s what’s driven the movement for years before it even had a name. Citing emotionality as a reason not to elect a woman is just an excuse—a very poor one, at that—and everyone knows it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Hey, you’re preaching to the choir. Lol.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That’s rich. How could one ever think in this election that Kamala was the emotional one. She made one joke about his crowd size and he went completely off the rails.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's nothing inherently unhealthy about being asexual.

[–] Ajen 24 points 1 month ago (9 children)

4B isn't about asexuality, it's about abstinence. Not the same thing.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's always amazing how many men out themselves in these threads. Immediately angry and defensive. There's no greater way to know that you're exactly the kind of man these women are worried about than having that reaction.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (3 children)

In this thread a few people left mild and fair criticism and immediately got accused of being conservative. Some I recognized as having specifically progressive ideas in other threads.

I think there are fair criticisms of this for sure. Saying them out loud does not mean you have anything but the opinion you say. And now watch, I'll be dog piled and accused of hating women or whatever.

Which isn't true at all, it just seems kind of weird to deny yourself the pleasure of sex because.. I guess.. you don't trust yourself to find a man who isn't a piece of shit? Either that or you somehow believe such a person doesn't exist? The only other option is it's about being spiteful in a way that won't help anyone at all. Conservative men are already having trouble getting women and you aren't going to turn them liberal by not having sex with anyone. For this to ever work you'd need a large percentage of women to participate, which obviously isn't going to happen.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Reactionaries suck and I'd hate to date one

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago (3 children)

But the large swatch of incel's that voted for Trump aren't going to be affect by this.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They will just be able to further blame women. I’m all for that shit-show though. 🍿

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago (20 children)

Guys always ask me how to meet women. I say, " It's easy, be polite and learn how to communicate." None of them succeed.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Not really... from personal experience, I couldn't find a single woman to date or show interest until I was 25. I was and still am super nice and polite, apparently too much for most.

I fully believe I am just ugly, and it is what it is. After being rejected for so long and never having the chance to have those experiences growing up, it did leave me in a bad place for a while.

Good news is I did meet someone at 25 and we're married now over 10 years and have 2 kids. This was also right before the rise of dating apps, which I wonder what impact they would have had if given the chance to use them.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Women will continue to demand better for themselves and some men will continue to get more radicalized in retaliation until we start raising boys to be empathetic and not sexualizing them so they feel entitled to people’s bodies.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Consent and boundaries need to be learned at an early age.
Understanding the emotions of others, and not being at the center of every interaction.
Understanding individual bodily autonomy, and extension of that to others.

These all need to be passed on in early life, because they are foundational to ensuring better overall social interactions with the opposite sex, knowing the worth of oneself and others, and being respectful to everyone including oneself.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

It's a person's decision whether to have sex, get married or date someone. They don't need to justify that to anyone. No one criticizes men for choosing celibacy or choosing to remain single. But women don't have that priviledge, so they have to justify themselves and still they will recieve criticism and hate from men just for choosing to exercise their personal freedom and live their life according to their values.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago

No one criticizes men for choosing celibacy or choosing to remain single.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but I have to take issue with this. Men do get criticized for choosing not to have sex, or choosing not to marry. A man who chooses not to have sex constantly has his manhood questioned. And any single man who has not been asked when he's gonna find a nice girl and settle down is a man without family.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago

No one criticizes men for choosing celibacy or choosing to remain single.

conservative parents enter the chat

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I, for one, criticize incels regularly

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

Typical media BS.

Found a story about a very small movement somewhere in the world than are blowing it out of proportion and saying this is actually a thing.

This is why Dems lost the election but the media thought they would win.

Fucking click bait sex sells story.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I call bullshit. Any politicaly aware liberal/progressive woman can sniff out a conservative dude 5 miles away. They ain't fucking these kinda dudes unless they actually wanna be fucking them. I just don't see it

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Good for them for asserting their autonomy but basically the end affect is the opening plot of Idiocracy

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I get your point, but I wouldn't worry about what might happen in 20 years when what is currently happening is bad.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ill believe it when I see it, half these women have the most conservative SO you've ever met and tells them they're good people at the end of hard days. Also these particular women are transphobes, so fuck them.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Idgaf. Why has this story been at the top of my feed for like 4 days now?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Seems like propaganda. More gender war bullshit. Divide, divide, divide.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

I say good for them. Go for it. Dating is too stressful for me anyway.

But I'm also a 30+ progressive with a son and ex so I also recognize that there are bigger fish to fry than getting laid.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (4 children)

4B is doable! My wife and I haven't had sex in 3 years and we sort of like each other.

Just imagine not actually liking anyone at all, easy!

For everything else, there's pornhub.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Yeah because men were having so much sex and dating tons before.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Most of the men that voted for Trump aren't having sex anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The first time you say no to someone you really want to be with, that is when the 4B life starts. Till then, it's just business as usual (I really hope you don't sleep with/date people you don't like!).

The life continues when you see them with someone else, and realise some things can't be undone. People move on, they're not static NPCs you can just reload and date later.

It goes ever on, life stops for no-one and it runs it's course far too soon. To those who choose that path, make sure you know where it leads.

Edit: nice catch apostrofail! I'll keep no-one though, I feel they need that special dash bond ;)

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