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Summary

Trump won Dearborn and made significant gains in Hamtramck due to anger among Arab American and Muslim communities over deaths in Gaza, Lebanon, and Yemen.

Trump received 42.48% of the vote in Dearborn and 42.7% in Hamtramck, compared to 36.26% and 46.2% for Vice President Kamala Harris, respectively.

Despite Trump’s victory in Dearborn, the Republican nominee for U.S. Senator lost to the Democratic nominee.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They just signed Gaza's death warrant.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (29 children)

No. The election results are a blowout, larger than just this subcommunity.

I'm annoyed at Muslims for failing to back Harris and prevent the future atrocities. But I will not blame them. Trump got too many votes in general, and might even win the popular vote.

EDIT: We need a bigger reckoning than just blaming a minority of the minority. I don't want to blame Harris either, she seemed to do the best that she was given but it always was long odds given that she's a Half-Indian Half-Black Woman. (Racism from Whites, Racism from Indians for being a race-traitor, and then sexism from everyone including minorities).

But this is a bigger election loss than "just" a minority failing to show up to vote. We lost the Senate, Presidency, and probably the House.


EDIT: Kamala needed to win PA, WI, and MI. She literally lost all three of them. A large outspoken minority of just one State (MI) is not to blame for the PA or WI losses.

[–] Shiggles 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They all get to share the blame. What are you even trying to say? “Damn guys, I voted for hitler but it’s okay he won by more than a single vote so I didn’t even matter”

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I'm saying we needed like 10-million more votes to even reach parity with Biden 2020 here.

Complaining about a few hundred-thousand votes in one, albeit important, swing state, is missing the forests for the trees. This is a resounding defeat of the Democrat's platform this year.

The platform goes above and beyond just Harris btw. I'm including "Fascism" and other such arguments we used online / memes that clearly didn't work well enough. We need to talk about everything and prepare for 2026 and 2028.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

The platform goes above and beyond just Harris btw. I'm including "Fascism" and other such arguments we used online / memes that clearly didn't work well enough.

I've been trying to say that for ages, but got called (and still get called) a MAGA troll.

Edit: Got called a Trumper in this very thread. Again. Fix your country, y'all.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't want to blame Harris either, she seemed to do the best that she was given but it always was long odds given that she's a Half-Indian Half-Black Woman. (Racism from Whites, Racism from Indians for being a race-traitor, and then sexism from everyone including minorities).

This is bullshit rhetoric. She ran a shit campaign of trying to appease republican voters and cater to the snowflake right wing fear machine by shushing Palestine voices to back genocide directly and trying to sound tougher on immigration and border policy in the face of literal fascist policy campaigns by Trump. This is 100% the fault and failure of the Harris campaign’s strategy and the DNC for being so chicken shit scared of losing that they kept the corpse in chief in the running for too long. Catering to the fascist right policies never works and ignoring insanely popular progressive policy always fails. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can blame lemmy.ml for their strategic manipulation

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Well now you've handed Gaza to the butcher and good luck if you want to protest without getting arrested.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If every single Jill Stein voter had voted for Harris instead, Trump still would have won.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They’re complete fucking idiots throwing away their vote . . . but at least they went to the trouble of voting?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Voting is always better than not voting, yes.

And in a functional democratic system, voting for a candidate who's against genocide would be better than voting for a candidate who's currently part of the government supplying the genociders.

Sadly, the US aren't such a system.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To be fair protesters were already being injured and arrested. I know we're all still hurting at the election loss but let's not kid ourselves with the current administration either.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

You might want to start drinking heavily for what comes next.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Imagine being so fucking stupid you vote Trump to handle Gaza

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You see, they are conservative and don't really want progressive policies, and the Palestinian genocide gave them cover to vote for a strong patriarch that felt comfortable to them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

I don't know why people are downvoting you, they literally banned the lgbtq flag there once they gained power.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

In their defense, he'll "handle" Gaza. It turns out his "handling" is just the annihilation of any Arab within 1,000 miles of Gaza. But at least they can rest easy knowing that they "sent a message"?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

If true, fucking morons. You just handed the keys to the guy who is single handedly going to let the Middle East burn.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

If all of these people voted Harris, Trump still won.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The lack of support for Harris among Arab-Americans may not have been rational, but it was completely predictable—and it was something the Harris campaign could have addressed by at least suggesting she was open to reconsidering Biden’s policies.

Blame isn’t zero-sum—we’re all responsible for the predictable results of our actions (or inactions), even if those results were overdetermined.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Oh great, we've reached the blaming minorities part of the program.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I blame the smallest minority: jill stein

Can't wait four the next 3 years of nothing from her.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If Jill Stein wasn't there those people would've voted for someone else or stayed home. The democrats had a whole year to tell Bibi to knock it off, and they didn't.

[–] parrhesia 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah can't wait till trump tells Bibi to knock it off /s

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Trump: "go faster"

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Stein voters werent a deciding factor in any swing states. So maybe they contributed, but theres more to it than that.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I wish I had that gif of Dems plugging their ears while walking past genocide protestors outside the convention this year.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Who's that woman in front? Feels like I've seen her before.

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[–] skulblaka 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Hey don't I remember reading 189,237,490 conversations about this exact thing for the last 8 months? Where everyone was begging third party voters to bite the bullet, please, for the sake of the future of democracy in America and even a slight attempt at survival for Gaza and y'all all told us to go fuck ourselves because we all love genocide? Yeah remember those conversations?

Anything to add now? Are you happy? We told you this would happen. We begged you to please reconsider your stance for the good of everyone. But no, we're just a bunch of dumb assholes who aren't educated enough about the war in the middle east.

Learn to see the world around you, please.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This study from 2014 really explains this election for me.

For the bottom 90% of the US population, democracy fundamentally does not exist. The actions of legislators reflect the opinions of the wealthiest 10% of the population.

"Democracy," for 90% of the population, is a complete sham. Since 2016, Democrats SHOULD have been taking a hard left turn towards progressive populism. They should have been pursuing policies that are actually popular among the common people, even if those are unpopular among their wealthy donors. But while they ran on the idea of democracy, Democrats have done NOTHING to make their party actually reflect the needs of regular people. They should have been offering a bold vision to help the American people. But the DNC decided that the whims of donors was more important, and they lost as a result.

Why would you expect people to care for a democracy that means nothing to them?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Third party voters didn't do this. Trump still won by a lot even if all 3rd party went blue. Don't act so smug.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Honestly the schadenfreude is going to be epic on this one!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I love these threads. All the shitheads pop up to get blocked.

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