well, one thing i'll say in his favour: he did kill hitler.
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He wasn't "all bad", he apparently was very good with animals, like his dog Blondie. He was a vegetarian. And that's probably everything which wasn't bad. For the rest it's all completely fucked up bad. No doubt about it.
Oh and I just remembered he was very good at giving directions. "were do I need to go?" "Take the third reich"
More than one in five apparently.
And I'm guessing none of those Americans have had relatives who were actually living during WWII.
That's crazy wtf.
I will do you one better. There are people thinking Stalin was not all that bad.
Sure, Hitler passed some of the first anti-smoking laws.
That doesn’t excuse all the other awful awful things he did.
Also his anti smoking laws failed as the war went on longer and longer.
Hitler had one good idea. Right at the end when he decided to shoot himself.
Reminds me of this great street art I saw posted at some point. Can't find the source though.
Kind of a loaded question to include the word "all" but I understand the lack of faith or respect for the USA right about now.
Obviously, Hitler even gave credit to Jim Crow policies as being an inspiration for his generic policies.
The dixiecrats aren't ashamed of that, game recognizes game.
Related: we've all heard the stories of a time traveler going back to kill Hitler before his rise to power. One common theme in almost all those stories is that the attempt fails, that's why history is as we remember. This morning has me thinking that maybe time travel was involved in a couple of Trump assassination attempts.
They did get Jenkins tho!
That's not fair phrasing and will lead to high numbers.
Hitler wasn't "all" bad technically, he was just so bad that the good shouldn't matter at all. Pushing forward technology (VW Beetle, Autobahn) should is no way be justified by genocide (obviously).
A better question would have been something like "do you like Hitler overall?"
The full poll data: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Views_on_Hitler_poll_results.pdf
Do you think of Adolf Hitler as. . . ?
- A completely good person: 1%
- A good person who did some bad things: 4%
- An equally good and bad person: 7%
- A bad person who did some good things: 12%
- A completely bad person : 65%
- Not sure : 12%
So 12% felt he was at least as good as he was bad, 12% fell into the 'well, even a horrible person can do something right, and 12% were somehow not sure...
I mean ... 35% think he's not all bad. That's more than 1 in 5 (20%)
This is interesting, thank you for sharing.
I personally would tally this up as "12%" rather than "24%".
Or at least in my opinion, option "D" (bad person that did some good things) is most likely the closest to an objective answer and "E" (completely bad) is a totally acceptable summary. But both D and E both summarize Hitler as bad. The people summarizing him as "balanced" or "good" totaled to 12%.
To be clear, this is still horrific imo.
and 12% not sure aka couldn't really make up their mind if Hitler was bad or not... so ads up to 24%
That's fair, but we don't know why they said they weren't sure. Could be educational issues, memory issues, etc.
Not a good look either way. Wild to me that number is so high.
Yes a question about Hitler being good overall is far better. Attempting to shove him into an all bad category is just dishonest and allows opponents a free win. The good absolutely should matter, because painting people as all one thing isn't accurate and makes understanding how things happen more difficult.
We've got to stop talking about "if" and "when."
It's NOW. This is happening. We are watching the rise of the next Hitler, now, live, today. This isn't hypothetical anymore - yesterday just gave them carte blanche to go full stormtroopers.
At this point, all of our conversations need to be about how we stay safe in the wake.
This is how hitler came to power.
It's like watching a horror movie. You know the killer is in the basement, yet people go and have a look while the audience knows what's going to happen. A classic fuck around and find out.
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I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.
Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...
It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."
--Michael Rosen.
It doesn’t walk in saying, “Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution.”
Yeah but evidently it does, and people still choose it.
American fascism certainly does say those things, but it's always other peoples' faces the leopards will be eating.
Judging by the latest election, the number seams a lot higher, more like three in five
One in five do not think Hitler was all bad. Two in five think he was better than a lady who laughs sometimes.
And the idiots that didn't bother to vote, accepted this outcome
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U.S. opinion on the Nazi dictator remains more negative that it was at the height of World War II, when 25 percent of Americans said his ideas were correct
That's pretty surprising, you'd think when they were fighting him they'd hate him most
Putin.
Fools never see evil until its at their door.
They see the evil but think it will be to their advantage because they aren't like "those people."
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I'm completely against his policies and actions for obvious reasons. I hate Nazis.
Still, I could probably be convinced to say that he wasn't 100% bad in every possible way.
Even the most evil people are complex human beings. There may be something good inside them at some point to some person, etc.
"All" is a very powerful word.
While I agree with the sentiment, I don't think 1 in 5 thought : "well, he's kind with his dog and an OK painter, I can't in good faith say he's completely bad"
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https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Views_on_Hitler_poll_results.pdf
12% had the rather less ambiguous responses of 'he was at least as good as he was bad'. While 12% of folks were of the maybe defensible technicality of 'well, even the worst person occasionally will do the right thing', another 12% responded as 'unsure', which I would suspect would lean toward "I don't want to admit a socially unacceptable answer".
another 12% responded as ‘unsure’, which I would suspect would lean toward “I don’t want to admit a socially unacceptable answer”.
i'd lean towards "i don't know enough about the facts to make a definitive statement"
public education isn't great and even good public education rarely dives deeply in the life of Adolf Hitler beyond the obvious "he was a megalomaniac dictator who killed Jews and wanted to take over the world"
Hitler became Hitler because of his life experiences. He served in the German military during WW1, he was homeless in Vienna, he grew up poor with a sick mother. These events, along with the movements of the then-current cultural zietgiest, radicalized him in certain directions. It's a complex story that is hard to break down into simplistic moral platitudes of "good person" or "bad person"
I understand there's generally nuance and all for various folks villified through history, but given the last decade of his life, his story became one of the easiest in history to break down into "bad person" without oversimplification or any vaguely acceptable case of moral relativism. More context is informative as a key part of learning of history, but it doesn't ultimately impact ability to simplify it to "bad person"
i dont want to sound like a moral relativist and i'm hesitant to respond because i also don't want to be a hitler apologist
but I think it's really hard to categorize a person into a "totally bad" position. for example, Hitler had a big ego but he probably genuinely wanted the best for Germany. He cared for animals, was a vegetarian (for the most part, especially in later years of life) and advocated for animal cruelty laws.
if he genuinely believed that eliminating the jews was necessary in order to secure the autonomy of the German people, does that make him a bad person? To a Nazi, the Jew is an evil parasite on society that needs to be eliminated for the good of the entire population.
now please understand I'm speaking from their perspective not saying it is correct
but this type of anti-semitic ideology did not spring up spontaneously in the 1930s but was something deep that developed over the course of hundreds of years and ultimately culminated in the genocide we saw
but if for example, we took everyone in this thread and raised them in 1890s Germany- how many of them would believe in tolerance and racial equality? I'd honestly be surprised if there was a single person
I don't know. I understand there are good things and bad things. but the difference between good and bad people is more complicated. bad people i typically relegate to those individuals that get pleasure of out cruelty or suffering
This is what happens when you start to dismantle the education system. We can thank Reagan and the Bushes for that.
Hitler was nothing without the NSDAP and the fascist movement.
There were 915,000 Germans in the Waffen-SS.
In case you don't remember, what we're talking about here:
12 million people EXTERMINATED like they're vermin before we get into leveling cities like bombing of Brittain or finally, the brutal war casualties themselves.
People forgot and got gaslit. They said I was nuts for ranting about forgetting for decades.
Don't gotta burn the books just remove em while arms warehouses fill as quick as the cells....
Definitely a lot more than that based on this election.
We know, they just voted for him.
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