jwiggler

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I'm not the original person asked, just expressing my opinion.

I can't definitively say what I would do, because I was born into privilege. I can try to imagine, though, if I was broken in such a way, I would likely seek revenge. That doesn't invalidate anything I said in my previous comment. I believe Hamas committed atrocities on Oct 7. I would be hesitant to condemn them due to the conditions those atrocities were borne out of. If my family was murdered, my home destroyed, my people oppressed, etc. I'm sure I would feel justified in an act of revenge.

But killing or abducting an Israeli child, who for all I know could grow up being an advocate for my people, would not be justice. Do you think it would be? And how many Israeli children would need to die in order to to account for the endless sins of their forebears?

I'm not a "Israel deserved Oct 7th" person because I think that lends itself to the idea that the victims of the atrocities committed on Oct 7 deserved it. I don't think they did. I do think Israel as a nation brought it upon themselves in the sense that they have been oppressing the Palestinians for however many years, and if they hadn't been, the event wouldn't have happened.

Norman Finkelstein put it in a pretty interesting way -- atrocities were committed on Oct 7, but he would not condemn a violent outburst by people who were born in a concentration camp. He urged leniency and grace that would normally be afforded to people who were born into such conditions and who proceeded to commit unspeakable acts.

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Sorry dude all I'm saying is every comment you write sounds like you're trying to dunk on someone in a weirdly incoherent and haughty way, even this one. I guess, yeah, you don't seem to be engaging in good faith at all and that's pretty lame.

Definitely "yeah that's what I thought you'd say" is a real dick thing to say. You wouldn't say that in person, would you? Do you see what I'm getting at? Sorry dude I don't mean to excoriate you, but hopefully you see what I'm getting at. You can have opposing views without being like that

Shit. That's very disappointing. This is my first time hearing about it. Guess I'm glad I listened to Understanding Power through alternative means

what a strange interaction. I don't think anything you said was really off base. Maybe I'm too stupid to follow but it looks like EABOD25 thinks they pulled a "gotcha" on you but your line of thinking seems pretty consistent

LMAOOO im fuckin dead

Nah, it just institutionalizes it and perpetuates it in a different form -- namely structural violence. It's oppressive and coercive in nature, ultimately used to protect the interests of those with property and further instantiate inequality.

You can't eliminate violence through violence. You have to meet people's basic needs. A society that coerces people to act a particular way -- especially in regards to meeting their basic needs -- through the threat of force could not have been built on freedom, or compassion, or mutual solidarity. It's unjust, imo

Violence doesn't just become good because you legitimize it through the state.

Playing guitar. I'm bad, can't really play with others, couldn't play live, but being able to sing and play along to songs I love, putting my own spin on them, or getting into a rhythm and making up silly lyrics is one of the most valuable things I ever learned to do. Probably the single best thing I've done in my life is learn to play.

I like the part where one guy goes, "Justice is paying your debts" and Socrates goes, "oh yeah? so it would be just for me to return the gun my friend loaned me, when he comes back requesting it in a murderous frenzy? Yeah, that's what I thought."

And the guy just leaves lol