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[–] [email protected] 330 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (47 children)

As a fervent AI enthusiast, I disagree.

...I'd say it's 97% hype and marketing.

It's crazy how much fud is flying around, and legitimately buries good open research. It's also crazy what these giant corporations are explicitly saying what they're going to do, and that anyone buys it. TSMC's allegedly calling Sam Altman a 'podcast bro' is spot on, and I'd add "manipulative vampire" to that.

Talk to any long-time resident of localllama and similar "local" AI communities who actually dig into this stuff, and you'll find immense skepticism, not the crypto-like AI bros like you find on linkedin, twitter and such and blot everything out.

[–] falkerie71 100 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

For real. Being a software engineer with basic knowledge in ML, I'm just sick of companies from every industry being so desperate to cling onto the hype train they're willing to label anything with AI, even if it has little or nothing to do with it, just to boost their stock value. I would be so uncomfortable being an employee having to do this.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

For sure, it seems like 90% of ai startups are nothing more than front end wrappers for a gpt instance.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

They're all built on top of OpenAI which is very unprofitable at the moment. Feels like the whole industry is built on a shaky foundation.

Putting the entire fate of your company in a different company (OpenAI) is not a great business move. I guess the successful AI startups will eventually transition to self-hosted models like Llama, if they survive that long.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

TSMC are probably making more money than anyone in this goldrush by selling the shovels and picks, so if that's their opinion, I feel people should listen...

There's little in the AI business plan other than hurling money at it and hoping job losses ensue.

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[–] conciselyverbose 19 points 3 weeks ago

Seriously, I'd love to be enthusiastic about it because it's genuinely cool what you can do with math.

But the lies that are shoved in our faces are just so fucking much and so fucking egregious that it's pretty much impossible.

And on top of that LLMs are hugely overshadowing actual interesting approaches for funding.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think we should indict Sam Altman on two sets of charges:

  1. A set of securities fraud charges.

  2. 8 billion counts of criminal reckless endangerment.

He's out on podcasts constantly saying the OpenAI is near superintelligent AGI and that there's a good chance that they won't be able to control it, and that human survival is at risk. How is gambling with human extinction not a massive act of planetary-scale criminal reckless endangerment?

So either he is putting the entire planet at risk, or he is lying through his teeth about how far along OpenAI is. If he's telling the truth, he's endangering us all. If he's lying, then he's committing securities fraud in an attempt to defraud shareholders. Either way, he should be in prison. I say we indict him for both simultaneously and let the courts sort it out.

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I had a professor in college that said when an AI problem is solved, it is no longer AI.

Computers do all sorts of things today that 30 years ago were the stuff of science fiction. Back then many of those things were considered to be in the realm of AI. Now they're just tools we use without thinking about them.

I'm sitting here using gesture typing on my phone to enter these words. The computer is analyzing my motions and predicting what words I want to type based on a statistical likelihood of what comes next from the group of possible words that my gesture could be. This would have been the realm of AI once, but now it's just the keyboard app on my phone.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yup.

I don't know why. The people marketing it have absolutely no understanding of what they're selling.

Best part is that I get paid if it works as they expect it to and I get paid if I have to decommission or replace it. I'm not the one developing the AI that they're wasting money on, they just demanded I use it.

That's true software engineering folks. Decoupling doesn't just make it easier to program and reuse, it saves your job when you need to retire something later too.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

The people marketing it have absolutely no understanding of what they're selling.

Has it ever been any different? Like, I'm not in tech, I build signs for a living, and the people selling our signs have no idea what they're selling.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Sounds about right. There are some valid and good use cases for "AI", but the majority is just buzzword marketing.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I have lots of uses for Attack Insects….

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I make DNNs (deep neural networks), the current trend in artificial intelligence modeling, for a living.

Much of my ancillary work consists of deflating/tempering the C-suite's hype and expectations of what "AI" solutions can solve or completely automate.

DNN algorithms can be powerful tools and muses in scientific endeavors, engineering, creativity and innovation. They aren't full replacements for the power of the human mind.

I can safely say that many, if not most, of my peers in DNN programming and data science are humble in our approach to developing these systems for deployment.

If anything, studying this field has given me an even more profound respect for the billions of years of evolution required to display the power and subtleties of intelligence as we narrowly understand it in an anthropological, neuro-scientific, and/or historical framework(s).

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's about right. I've been using LLMs to automate a lot of cruft work from my dev job daily, it's like having a knowledgeable intern who sometimes impresses you with their knowledge but need a lot of guidance.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

watch out; i learned the hard way in an interview that i do this so much that i can no longer create terraform & ansible playbooks from scratch.

even a basic api call from scratch was difficult to remember and i'm sure i looked like a hack to them since they treated me as such.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

In addition, there have been these studies released (not so sure how well established, so take this with a grain of salt) lately, indicating a correlation with increased perceived efficiency/productivity, but also a strongly linked decrease in actual efficiency/productivity, when using LLMs for dev work.

After some initial excitement, I’ve dialed back using them to zero, and my contributions have been on the increase. I think it just feels good to spitball, which translates to heightened sense of excitement while working. But it’s really just much faster and convenient to do the boring stuff with snippets and templates etc, if not as exciting. We’ve been doing pair programming lately with humans, and while that’s slower and less efficient too, seems to contribute towards rise in quality and less problems in code review later, while also providing the spitballing side. In a much better format, I think, too, though I guess that’s subjective.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

AI as we know it does have its uses, but I would definitely agree that 90% of it is just marketing hype

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I think when the hype dies down in a few years, we'll settle into a couple of useful applications for ML/AI, and a lot will be just thrown out.

I have no idea what will be kept and what will be tossed but I'm betting there will be more tossed than kept.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

What happened to Linus? He looks so old now...

[–] [email protected] 162 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not especially old, though; he looks like a 54yo dev. Reminds me of my uncles when they were 54yo devs.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago

As a 46 year old dev I'm starting to look that way too.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

What happened to he is happening now to you.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I am thinking of deploying a RAG system to ingest all of Linus's emails, commit messages and pull request comments, and we will have a Linus chatbot.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

The only time I've seen AI work well are for things like game development, mainly the upscaling of textures and filling in missing frames of older games so they can run at higher frames without being choppy. Maybe even have applications for getting more voice acting done... If the SAG and Silicon Valley can find an arrangement for that that works out well for both parties..

If not for that I'd say 10% reality was being.... incredibly favorable to the tech bros

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Like with any new technology. Remember the blockchain hype a few years back? Give it a few years and we will have a handful of areas where it makes sense and the rest of the hype will die off.

Everyone sane probably realizes this. No one knows for sure exactly where it will succeed so a lot of money and time is being spent on a 10% chance for a huge payout in case they guessed right.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

There's an area where blockchain makes sense!?!

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I play around with the paid version of chatgpt and I still don't have any practical use for it. it's just a toy at this point.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago

I used chatGPT to help make looking up some syntax on a niche scripting language over the weekend to speed up the time I spent working so I could get back to the weekend.

Then, yesterday, I spent time talking to a colleague who was familiar with the language to find the real syntax because chatGPT just made shit up and doesn't seem to have been accurate about any of the details I asked about.

Though it did help me realize that this whole time when I thought I was frying things, I was often actually steaming them, so I guess it balances out a bit?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Oh please. Wait until they release double-sided, double-density 128bit AI quantum blockchain that runs on premises/in the cloud edge hybrid.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm waiting for the part that it gets used for things that are not lazy, manipulative and dishonest. Until then, I'm sitting it out like Linus.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Copilot by Microsoft is completely and utterly shit but they're already putting it into new PCs. Why?

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[–] explodicle 20 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Just chiming in as another guy who works in AI who agrees with this assessment.

But it's a little bit worrisome that we all seem to think we're in the 10%.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Linus is known for his generosity.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
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