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[–] [email protected] 87 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It's always "ex" and "former," never "current."

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Because if they were current and said that they would become ex very quickly.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

As in "the late Dentarthurdent"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

That was the exact phrase going through my mind as I typed that haha

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Israelis concerned about morality should refuse to serve in the IDF at all and take the jail time instead.

For those who didn't, they obviously believe in what they're doing to some extent and I'm not convinced that the incentives are really there to do the right thing. What is the consequence for committing the war crime? It is non existent. Straight up. So if you risk punishment by refusing, why would you?

Again, if you have morals you should lay down your arms and fucking leave Gaza immediately. Refusing one order is pointless when there are war crimes committed every day.

[–] Corkyskog 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

If all the people did that you would only have the most bloodthirsty lunatics

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

That may be true, but bloodthirsty lunatics without the numbers to back them up lose much of their effectiveness.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago

I think that was their point

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So if you risk punishment by refusing, why would you?

Moral convictions? Jesus Christ, people...

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, I'm sure a soldiers don't normally face reprisal for refusing to follow orders. /s

Maybe... don't issue orders that may be war crimes?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Yes, it's a very sticky wicket. In Israel's case you can just be a conscientious objector and either make up an excuse for non-service, or take the jail time. In places that don't even pose as Liberal democracies that's not an option, and you're best off trying to defect to someone else. If you can't manage that either, it's basically just time to survive while choosing kindness wherever you can, even if it means some loss and some risk. The soldier in The Pianist giving the guy cake comes to mind.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

I believe it was Chris Browning who showed that German Wehrmacht soldiers, who refused to be in Einsatzgruppen didn't get punished for it.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I was going to joke and say they'll have to just stay at home, but those homes are likely illegal settlements

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago

Might be. Just a hunch, nothing concrete to report

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Gee I don't know ... they call themselves the Chosen People and require everyone else to do that too or they levy accusations of antisemitism.

How can a Chosen Person ^TM^ do a war crime ? Unpossible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

They are also indoctrinated during that service to see Palestinians as vermin.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Some of them, others I think uh monster trucked through un facilities with tanks?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

They relish in committing war crimes, they don't see us as people

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Soooo all orders

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago

Weve been through that before haven't we?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago