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This is more of me trying to understand how people imagine things, as I almost certainly have Aphantasia and didn't realize until recently... If this is against community rules, please do let me know.

The original thought experiment was from the Aphantasia subreddit. Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Aphantasia/comments/g1e6bl/ball_on_a_table_visualization_experiment_2/

Thought experiment begins below.


Try this: Visualise (picture, imagine, whatever you want to call it) a ball on a table. Now imagine someone walks up to the table, and gives the ball a push. What happens to the ball?

Once you're done with the above, click to review the test questions:

  • What color was the ball?
  • What gender was the person that pushed the ball?
  • What did they look like?
  • What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else?
  • What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of?

And now the important question: Did you already know, or did you have to choose a color/gender/size, etc. after being asked these questions?


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What happens to the ball? It rolls slowly off the table, and bounces a few times away from the table before coming to a stop.

What color was the ball? Blue

What gender was the person that pushed the ball? Male

What did they look like? Tall, average build, short brown hair with facial hair, maybe mid-30s, gray shirt, brown pants

What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else? A bit smaller than a basketball, like a ball for kids or a handball.

What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of? Round, wood, but like the cheap laminate kind with plastic edging. Metal legs. Like a cheap table you'd see in a school or office.

I feel like I imagined a lot more detail than others. The questions were really easy for me to answer, and like a lot of unnecessary details came to mind. The guy pushed the ball because he was asked to, and he didn't know why he was there. Probably the schizophrenia.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago
  1. The ball was red.
  2. I have no idea.
  3. I have no idea.
  4. Like, maybe softball sized? A little bigger? I'm not sure.
  5. Square. It was made of brown.
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Sure, OK.

Welcome to my brain

  • Red
  • Don't know, the "camera" wasn't panned up that high
  • All I really "saw" was jeans
  • Looked like one of those rubber balls that people like to bounce against walls, like in handball or squash. About as big across as the palm of your hand. Hollow, you could squish it without much effort.
  • one of those simple black square tables from Ikea

That's kind of what just popped into my head before I knew there were questions.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Honestly, it's patchy.

'ball on a table' is very generic, so my brain keeps suggesting different versions. A beach ball on my grandparents' living room table when I was a child. A fairly featureless basketball-sized sphere on a beech-like table in some kind of gallery-like environment. A tennis ball, but on little more than the concept of a table. The person, not being specified... could be anyone. In some versions it's my own arm, POV, in others it's like something seen out of the corner of your eye. Yeah someone came in and did a thing, I wasn't really looking.

The motion is more like a series of vignettes, unless I concentrate more - in which case the surrounding detail gets more abstract.

Now, if you give me details, that's another story.

A fuzzy yellow tennis ball on that cheap folding card table from my childhood with the padding cut off, leaving the textured fibreboard surface. My older sister strides up and shoves the ball across the table, making the flimsy legs wobble as she does so.

Do that, I can see the texture of the carpet and the bare walls from our shitty childhood apartment, I can downright smell the table and have the heft of the thing kinaesthetically along with the shape and visual textures. I can see the skitter and wobble of the ball across the table; my sister more an abstract bundle of mannerisms and gait, and the actual path of the ball is still more implied than observed, though.

For the most part, my visualisation is handwave, like looking through your blind spot or your peripheral vision: the part your brain makes up to fill in the missing details. When I read a book, it's like half-remembered cover-illustrations of the general scene: more vibe (sometimes richly textured, vivid vibe) than a literal image.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Neat!

spoiler

  • Red. It was rubber.
  • Male.
  • Tall, thin. I don't remember a face, but he was wearing an old-fashioned formal shirt and sport jacket. The cuff of the shirt was unbuttoned and folded back. He also wore a wide-brimmed black hat. (I'm currently watching an episode of Hell on Wheels which probably influenced that.)
  • Large for an apple, small for a canteloupe.
  • Square, dinner-table-hieight. Dark-stained wood. I'm no woodworker, so I wouldn't know what kind of wood it was, but I've got a couple of bookcases of the same wood and staining.

Aside from that, I can say it took place in an old cabin and in the background, I saw an open doorway to a... foyer? The door to the outside was open. It was very sunny. And I saw green grass outside.

And, I knew all those things before I got to the questions. I just had to consult/replay the scene in my head to get all the answers.

Seems fair to say I don't have aphantasia.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In my head, a red rubber ball the size of a baseball rolls off a square wooden table and falls on the floor. A guy pushed it.

Edit: I knew ahead of time. I added more detail once I saw the quiz but I can imagine pretty vivid images.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Don't know, they were an amorphous humanoid so I uh don't know for these two, baseball ish sized could fit in a palm, the platonic ideal of a wooden table. The first questions did not make me change the thing in my head. I don't think I see color in my mind eye, but I can uhhh label things with a color. Like. This ball is red, I think to myself, as the ball... continues to ball. Maybe if I imagined a specific red ball it world be redder.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
  • The ball was orange
  • I don't remember
  • I don't remember
  • As big as an orange
  • The ball was on a white surface
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

That is interesting. I imagined it more like an abstract physics problem than an actual scene. My ball was about 6 inches diameter, made of a nonspecific hard but not very dense material similar to, but not necessarily solid plastic, of no specific color. It was in the center of a table roughly 3 x 6 feet in surface at normal sitting table height, and was also of no specific color or material. The person was just the vague notion of a person applying a push slightly off from across the short axis of the table. The ball bounced slightly on the generic idea of a floor as it rolled away. My mind quickly supplied the additional details when requested, but not until then. (Yellow ball, wood table, etc). If I'd been asked in a way that didn't feel like a physics problem, but instead asked me to imagine a scene, I would already have had many of those details in my mental view.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
  • Ball rolls about two feet and stops just before it rolls off the table.
  • White ball, polished surface, shiny
  • Male
  • Tall person, slender build, light brown hair, clean shaven, white button-up collared shirt, blue jeans.
  • Ball was a bit bigger than a billiard ball, but smaller than a baseball. Smooth, and heavy. Like a white cricket ball but with no seams.
  • It was one of those large common fold-up trestle tables but with a white table cloth on it.
  • I knew all those without having to think about it, or choose afterwards.

To me the imagery seemed like a cheesy "how to push a ball" educational video with a paid actor to demonstrate how to push the ball in the correct manner.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I’ve never head of this test before now. Spoiler tags to help others avoid the answers before they take the test.

Tap for spoiler

The ball was somehow chrome but not reflective, and bigger than a large marble. The table was a flat plane with no features. The person pushing the table had no features. There were no other features within this thought space

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Very interesting!

My resultsThe ball was about the size of a baseball, and the table was square, but I couldn't answer any of the other questions without just making something up when they were asked.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Exact same.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Red

Didn’t think about gender

Didn’t think about what they looked like

Ball was baseball sized

It was a square wooden table

Bonus, I imagined the ball rolling across the table and then falling off the table and bouncing a few times on the floor.

I didn’t choose any answers after reading the questions, but didn’t have an answers for the person.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It was a billiards/pool ball, but no idea which one as I just associate balls on tables with playing pool.

No idea on gender, formless concept.

No idea on looks, just a concept.

Whatever size a pool ball is, 2-3 inches? Just a concept though.

It is a pool table with green felt and a raised edge and six pockets because that is what a pool table is. Can't really see it. Just aware of it's general properties and how the felt and wood feels.

Eveey detail is based ona pool tabke and ball because my first thought about balls on tables is playing pool. Without the table detail I wouldn't have anything at all to work with.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

OK today I learned I may have aphantasia.

It suffices to say, the follow up questions were bizarre to me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I fantasized all the details as they were asked in the prompt, but didn’t give an identity to the ball-pusher until the quiz asked for it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

SpoilerColorless. Genderless. The forbidden lovechild of Bongo Bongo and Turnip Head. Ping Pong sized. Rounded wooden table.

Visualizing takes work so generally only what's needed is there. But sometimes the darker thoughts escape out from the dungeon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My answers:

  • What color was the ball? Metallic silver
  • What gender was the person that pushed the ball? A woman
  • What did they look like? Short straight black hair, pale skin tone, fit build, black blouse, plaid skirt, black leggings, wearing black pumps
  • What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else? Slightly larger than a baseball, slightly smaller than a softball
  • What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of? Wood, square, about 1 meter/yard square, thick square legs one at each corner.

Did you already know, or did you have to choose a color/gender/size, etc. after being asked these questions? All of this was a picture before seeing the questions. Other things about the image that weren't asked were also there like:

  • the room was lit from a single light bulb above the table with a wide shade. Light was cast straight down on the table/ball and extended slightly beyond the table, but I couldn't see how big the room was...until the ball rolled off the table and hit the floor. I could tell the floor was smooth wood and the walls in the room must also be of a hard material because the sound of the solid ball hitting the floor reverberated. The light showed one wall was red brick. It was indoors.
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

spoiler-titleAm I the only one who imagined things that they interact with frecuently?

  1. The ball is green and its the one I got for my cat.
  2. Female, she gently pushed it with one finger
  3. It was my mom (idk why)
  4. About the size of a lemon.
  5. I just Imagined my table. Medium sized, thick with fake wood vinyl or something. I even imagined the mess that is on it.

I alredy knew, as I said, I imagined things I already know. And the ball bounced like 4 times before rolling out of the door.

What does it mean? lol

Edit: Added the spoiler thing. Quite interesting to read others replies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
  1. White/colourless ball. And honestly, more of a circle viewed from a perfect side on angle.
  2. I didn't visualise a person only the effect of their push on the ball. And like another poster corrected the slide to a roll.
  3. See above.
  4. Ball was of uncertain size. It was viewed side on, and no other objects to give a sense of scale. Maybe tennis ball sized, but I think that's retroactive.
  5. Table was rectangular and wooden. But no legs. Unsure of the thickness.

Included the timely-ness of the details in my answers above.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Purple-ish

Male? Maybe?

Too abstract I more imagined an arm more than a whole person

Baseballish

Square, I dunno it was also purple. I get very like, early computer animation type vibes from the whole scene. "Ball" and "table" without any context just leaves everything kinda blank.

I think I already knew. Maybe the gender one was a stretch.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

The scene was like an example reel from a video game, greenscale-ish translucent humanoid mannequin standing in a pseudo void, with a nondescript rectangular table of a similar greenscale-ish semi translucent material, and only the ball is "finished" as it is the camera focus. It is approximately between baseball and softball size, smooth, but I did not pay attention to the color. There is an "interaction/activation" sound effect as the mannequin kinda leans over and lightly pushed the ball to cause it to roll. It rolls to a stop on the table top, and this action loops.

The center of focus pulled back as I read the questions, more becoming aware of them than choosing them, and the scene changed with a camera pull out as part of the "ball is pushed" tutorial clip.

I have realized how much growing up as a gamer as influenced my perspective.

[–] merc 1 points 1 day ago
  • The ball was a futsal ball, so white with green markings
  • I didn't see the person who pushed the ball, just their hand, I was concentrating on the ball
  • The table was at about the height of a typical dining room table, it was plain wood about 1cm thick with a dark top and had fairly thin black metal legs

I already knew the answers, for the most part. The questions didn't cause me to add more detail, but they did cause me to reflect on the details I had chosen. So, for example, I never looked at the person who pushed the ball. Because of that, I couldn't fill in any details about their looks or gender. But I did clearly see the hand giving the ball a push, and I think the hand belonged to someone white. Having said that, I did have to stop and think about the answer for the table. The table was part of what I imagined seeing, but it wasn't the focus of my attention. I realized I could think about what I had imagined and the details came to me. But, it's possible that I didn't actually dream them up until I was asked the question.

Also, nobody asked, but the ball fell down and hit a white surface (something like white tiles) and bounced the way a futsal ball bounces, which is to say mostly a soft "thud".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago
  • The ball was red and smooth and uniform and shaded like it had been painted there or drawn with colored pencil.
  • the gender of the person was indeterminate, perhaps leaning female
  • they did not have a definite look to describe, it was more a concept of a person. They were a featureless, fuzzy, void-white silhouette adorned only by a similarly featureless light blue t-shirt, black pants and black hair, all so ill-defined it was as if they they had been hastily cut from craft paper and slapped over top the glowing form. Like the color scheme of the fitness boxing mascot, but the more simplified form of South Park Canadians, and more amorphous.
  • the ball was slightly larger than a baseball but smaller than a softball
  • the table was rectangular, of beige ‘wood’ with a light grain, and very sharp edges. It looked distinctly like it was out of a low poly video game.

Important question: The ball and table were distinct and known but oddly not “real-life”. The person was very indistinct and the gender is merely speculation. The edges defining their arms and hands became more defined as they approached and interacted with the ball. The color and form of the clothing and hair manifested then too.

Interestingly, I “know” the visualization took place in my kitchen, in an orientation different than my actual kitchen table. I saw the light from the windows Illuminate the table and the ball, and I could tell where I was in the space watching it happen, but the kitchen wasn’t there and neither was I. The table, ball and person appeared alone in a murky dark void.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
  • The ball was red
  • The person was of indeterminate gender, I only really saw their arm
  • They were wearing a blue button up over a white shirt
  • The ball is about the size of an orange, and it rolled forwards
  • The table was made of wood

I had to picture it again to get the shirt color but not the rest. I can say that the background was dark, almost like a dimly lit billiards hall, and there was a light shining on the ball

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Blue. Didn't really envision a person, just the hand, didn't notice the potential sex. It was a billiard ball on a pool table. The ball kinda rolled gently across the table at an angle, hit the side, and slowly rolled back before stopping.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
  • White

  • Not in shot, just a hand

  • The arm was the same complexion as my own

  • Tennis ball sized but made of that stuff billard balls are made of, smooth and shiny

  • Classic oblong wooden table, looks like that cheap ikea pine with a clear grain

  • The ball rolls along the table with again, the same sound you get with a billard or similar rigid ball rolling along a solid surface, upon falling off the table it hits the floor (pale orange ceramic tiles) and bounces a few times in that satisfying way that produces an ever increasing frequency until it stops.

  • I already knew and did not have to chose after being asked the questions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago
  • What color was the ball? Blue
  • What gender was the person that pushed the ball? Male
  • What did they look like? Skinny, pants, dress shirt
  • What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else? Blue, smooth, baseball sized
  • What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of? Around 2ft square, wooden, light color, four square legs

All of this was built in my head with each part of the prompt. Pretty sure I don't have aphantasia.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago
  • Orange *No gender. *Bald mannequin, like the outlines of people in bathroom stalls. *Baseball *Square wooden table.
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