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[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 days ago (7 children)

She will most likely not be a great president, but could be a good one. If Biden wasn't so poor on the Middle East, he would have been a great one, from a policy perspective.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Were there a normal option available to vote for, she'd be worse. But she's better than Trump because Trump is just an acceleration of the ongoing trash show, while she is said show going on as planned - she's the candidate from the folks who planned it, as in "establishment" and "big financial interest".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I’m fine with how Afghanistan went. The military would have dragged it out for another 10 years. I’d much rather have a suboptimal quick withdrawal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Nobody's arguing it was short-term better for the US. It abandoned to the wolves all of the people who worked with it in Afghanistan, though. And did that abruptly. Betrayals tend to have long-term consequences. Those who think they've seen a few betrayals go well without those, just have blind spots.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Biden never was going to be a great president, lacking a a majority in both houses means you burn up too much political capital to get anything done that doesn't already have broad bipartisan support. And with how divided politics is today compared to any point in history where we had a great president, there is no such thing as bipartisan today.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 days ago (6 children)

she could be a great president if she issues an arms embargo against Israel

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Don’t worry, voters will definitely hand both houses to the Republicans in 2026 if she’s elected and they’ll take their orders directly from Trump.

Because that’s what always happens.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

I just hope Trump is dead by 2026.

There could always be some other MAGA asshole to fill the void, but the dissolution of Trump's cult of personality would be a crippling blow.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 days ago (4 children)

There's always an asshole. Newt Gingrich, Mitch McConnell, Donald Trump. And our electoral system and goldfish-memory population will continually put them into power.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Don't blame "the population", if everybody had exactly the same starting conditions, they'd end up the same. I'm autistic and generally - from experience with people - think that every popular thing is crap and every popular idea is crap, and the more hated something is, the more wisdom may be in it.

But. The population generally has the same kind of memory as you. There are a lot of traps and distractions, they fall for some, you fall for some others. There's no need to blame the victim.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Too god damn true. That's mainly why I voted for Harris on my main-in ballot. She's not Trump, that's the primary reason.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yep. She's not my ideal candidate, but she is better in every single way when compared to Trump.

Since it's easier to break things than to maintain, fix, or create, the choice is obvious.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

This is not obvious. There's appropriate time for everything, breaking things involved. Any meaningful action you take is destructive. Ouroboros is a thing.

Just right now picking Trump wouldn't break what should be broken. Just be a gift to a lot of mass murderers around the world for 4 more years and maybe more.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I mean, that's a good looking sandwich

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You and I have very different ideas of what a good sandwich looks like. I'd still vote for it though.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (15 children)

Absent of any anti-Trump arguments, I'd like to hear the case for Kamala being a truly great President. A few policy positions she, in particular, is notable for?

[–] [email protected] 59 points 5 days ago (13 children)

There are policy details on her website: https://kamalaharris.com/issues/

But it's pretty simple overall. She's not a maverick, what's on offer is simply the Dem agenda with a younger change of guard. The Dems believe in running the economy from the middle class, because investing in people is how we achieve long-term economic success and improve quality of life. So all her policies are going to be the same they would have been for Obama or Biden: improve social protections, improve access to education, improve access to housing, lower costs of living, make the corporations and wealthy pay their fair shares, pull away from needless wars, strengthen international relationships and create trade agreements of mutual benefit.

She can talk policy until she's blue in the face, but we all should already know exactly what we are getting when we vote for a Democrat. The last time this country had a balanced budget it was Democrat. When we raise the minimum wage, it's a Democrat. When we try to make education more affordable or help those with student debt, it's a Democrat. When we strengthen unions and increase taxes on corporations, it's a Democrat. When we pull out of wars, when we increase social services, when we increase protections for minorities, when we secure our clean water and block chemicals and pesticides in our food and household products, when we raise fuel efficiency standards and make corporations pay for pollution, it's a Democrat.

It baffles me that we have to talk about this stuff like it's new. It's simple and it has been for years:

You want a party that runs the economy like adults, and works for the middle class and the well-being of the people: Democrats.

You want a party that works for the rich and corporations, blows up the budgets recklessly, and thinks the low and middle classes are a resource to be used and drained: Republicans.

While we are on this spicy topic today, someone please remind me, what did Jill Stein do?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 days ago

The last time this country had a balanced budget it was Democrat.

Not even balanced - Clinton produced a surplus during his last couple of years in office. Had we continued on that path, we would now be debt-free as a nation, instead of in debt to the tune of $35 fucking trillion (equivalent to a full seven years of tax revenues).

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

Start with what makes a good president? Obviously there's the issues and all that which people focus on, but that's subject to debate. Objectively, some qualities are definitely good, like being good at both urgent and non-urgent decision making, good at managing/organizing/handling chaos, capable of outsmarting adversaries, being a unifying force rather than a divisive one. Just to name a few. So let's look at those:

  • Decision-making: She's relatively young compared to recent presidents, definitely a bit more in touch with modern reality and less tied to the old ways of doing politics. She's faced a tough choice with her running mate, and while Walz has been criticized by some, given the short timeframe it's clear she at least didn't fuck it up. Her debate prep clearly succeeded, and she's avoided any scandals despite clearly Republicans trying very hard to find them. All of these show a record of decent to good decisions.
  • Managing, etc Obviously her campaign started in the midst of chaos, and there were a lot of fears regarding that transition. And it went probably better than anyone expected, with everyone quickly gaining confidence in her.
  • Outsmarting adversaries She did a better job at this in the debate than any candidate in my memory.
  • Unifying force Again I'll refer to her getting everyone behind her after Biden dropped, while also keeping Biden's support. Don't underestimate how unlikely that seemed before it happened.

I'll avoid comparing Trump who is obviously severely deficient in all of these respects. But I could go further and say she obviously compares favorably to Biden too, and compared to Obama, I'd give her an edge on outsmarting adversaries and managing, and Obama probably gets the edge on the other 2. But we'll see.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago (7 children)

"Voting for the Lesser Evil is still Evil"

Makes sense.

I throw out all my old uneaten perfectly edible still in the packaging food that hasn't expired yet instead of donating it to a local food bank because if I can't give the nutrition-insecure folks a gourmet dinner, why should I even fucking bother?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (8 children)

"Objectively" is such a fun way to describe what will always be a divisive position of power. Was any one president considered objectively good?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Well, Al Gore was voted president, and he didn't make any objectionable decisions while George Bush was living in his house and working in his office.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I do wonder what the world would look like if Al Gore had been president.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Grant's administration was deeply imperfect - corruption ran deep - but he eradicated the first KKK. I feel like that's an objective good, and anyone who disagrees isn't worth listening to.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A ham sandwich can be eaten. Eating is good. That's 1 pt ham sandwich, 0 gop. Ham sandwich does more for Americans than gop.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The rich can also be eaten.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (34 children)

And that's cool...

As long as when people want her to align more closely with the Dem voting base, you don't yell at them for questioning the only option and imply they're trying to help trump.

That bullshit only depresses Dem turnout and actually helps trump.

It's just completely nonsensical to hear all the "moderates" claim they'd vote for anyone not trump, then go feral when someone points out banning fracking would hand the Dems Pennsylvania which trump needs to win the election.

There are multiple issues like that where if Kamala moved to the left she'd lock this election down.

If you truly only care about beating trump, your time online would be more productive trying to pull the party left than trying to pull tens of millions of voters to the right...

With the obvious benefit of getting those popular policies on top of beating trump.

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