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[–] [email protected] 165 points 2 months ago (13 children)

This has been studied over and over and always with the same results. The economy isn't hampered, jobs aren't replaced by machines and overseas workers, the cost of goods doesn't go up, and factories don't close. The main impact is that quality of life increases, health spending increases (now that people can afford to take their kids to the doctor), and corporate profits decrease very slightly.

Especially in this economy of runaway corporate greed, we need a meaningful increase in wages

[–] [email protected] 80 points 2 months ago

corporate profits decrease very slightly

This is the thing that people will reflexively point to, but this:

quality of life increases

This is the real issue. If quality of life increases, workers are less desperate, and are less willing to put up with their employers BS. Moreover, if other jobs are also paying a living wage, it's much easier to quit.

We have seen, over and over, that businesses are willing to spend money to exert control over workers. They'll do it even if it means a decline in profits, or even in revenue. Because at the end of the day, if you have your needs met, any money left over is just power, and power is meant to be used to control others.

[–] ShareMySims 17 points 2 months ago

Especially in this economy of runaway corporate greed, we need a meaningful ~~increase in wages~~ revolution to eliminate those corporations and the systemic rewarding of greed.

The fact that they could increase wages and still make money while improving society but don't, is why they don't deserve any more benefit of the doubt, or room to continue hoarding wealth and power as they are, because a system that craves constant growth at any cost will never stop on its own (nor provide paths for reform).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Oh jobs are replaced by machines, it just has almost nothing to do with minimum wage. Machines cost pennies on the dollar for production value compared to humans. The human wage is pretty meaningless at that point, even forced labor is less profitable.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

But, the line must go up…

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Increasing minimum wage puts more money in the economy which people will spend which puts more money in businesses so they can pay their people more putting more money in the economy.

The only reason the wealthy don't like this is because their money passes through the hands of the unclean masses instead of going directly into their offshore tax haven accounts.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Yep.

Give a rich man a dollar and all you've done societally is remove a dollar from the economy. If you instead make him give that money to his employees things change, but cause poor people actually need money and will spend it.

You give a poor person that dollar through increased minimum wage and they spend it at a business. That business now makes more money, which is passed on to its employees through the increased minimum wage, and they spend that dollar again.

And again.

And again.

That dollar you took from the rich and gave to the poor drove a lot more than a dollar's economic activity.

OH - and it's also taxed every time it changes hands, so it also brings in more than its initial value in tax revenue.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The dollars are soiled by passing through the hands of the poor, though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Don't worry, the rich are here to laundry the money until it is clean again.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The only reason the wealthy don't like this is because ~~their~~ our money passes through the hands of the unclean masses instead of going directly into their offshore tax haven accounts.

Ftfy

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Well corrected.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Where I live, Washington, the minimum wage is $16.28 p/hour. Across the border in Idaho, the federal minimum applies — $7.25.

Businesses on the higher-wage side of the border are doing fine, and Spokaners do not drive across the border into Coeur d'Alene for cheaper groceries or a half-price Big Mac.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (64 children)

Spokaners do not drive across the border into Coeur d’Alene for cheaper groceries or a half-price Big Mac.

I actively boycott any and all ID businesses, because of the state's shitty labor and reproductive-rights laws and its nurture of Christofascism. They can Gilead all they want but it won't be with my financial support.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago (1 children)

California recently increased minimum wage, and despite this, people still live there.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago

More than that, California (last I checked) had the fifth largest economy in the world when comparing to entire countries.

I think they'll do just fine.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Have we not known this for years?

[–] explodicle 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've always used it as an example of when oversimplified chalkboard economics don't match experimental reality.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are the “oversimplified chalkboard economics” basically the businesses winging about having to pay people more?

[–] explodicle 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

What follows is incorrect

It's a price floor, which creates a deadweight loss.

Since we're also consumers, it's a net loss.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Card & Kreuger has been held up by right wingers for ages as evidence to the contrary but it's a very bad study

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago

None of the people uttering that lie will care about this news.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago

Corporations were bragging about record profits not that long ago, and then basically admitted to price gouging. Folks are extremely underpaid in most areas. Not shocked at all.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

From the abstract of the actual study

We find that most studies to date suggest a fairly modest impact of minimum wages on jobs: the median OWE estimate of 72 studies published in academic journals is -0.13, which suggests that only around 13 percent of the potential earnings gains from minimum wage increases are offset due to associated job losses. Estimates published since 2010 tend to be closer to zero.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Card and Kreuger found this out when they did a large study back in the 90s when each state could finally set its own minimum wage.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If its a real business and not a grift or privtization of gains/socialization of losses, they will pay closer to the right wage to have the right people fill the chair

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The only thing increasing minimum wage must do is take money out of the wealthiest pockets.

And that's why wages stay stagnant.

Every other argument is a red herring.

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