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Republican vice-presidential candidate Senator JD Vance continues to stoke outrage against foreign-born members of his own constituency, sharing video footage with his 1.9 million social media followers that he claimed showed African migrants in Dayton, Ohio “eating cats” — but instead appears to show nothing more than poultry cooking on an outdoor grill.

“Kamala Harris and her media apparatchiks should be ashamed of themselves,” Vance posted Saturday on X, the social network formerly known as Twitter. “Another ‘debunked’ story that turned out to have merit.”

Vance has claimed, falsely, in recent days that Haitians — who are not Africans — living in Springfield — a town of 58,000 which is not Dayton — were stealing, killing, and consuming their neighbors’ pets.

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[–] [email protected] 150 points 2 months ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism

Stochastic terrorism is political violence that has been instigated by hostile public rhetoric which is directed at a group or an individual. Unlike incitement to terrorism, stochastic terrorism is accomplished by using indirect, vague, or coded language that allows the instigator to plausibly disclaim responsibility for the resulting violence.[1] A key element is the use of social media and other distributed forms of communications where the person who carries out the violence has no direct connection to the users of violent rhetoric.[2]

[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 months ago (3 children)

They're also purposefully leaning into this to keep the conversation about immigration, because it's pretty much the only issue they have had an advantage on. Without Trump talking about eating pets, we'd all be talking about his abortion stance right now, which is deeply unpopular.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Democrats need to respond by making the story about why Trump killed the bipartisan immigration bill.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

That bill was a super republican bill, I honestly do not know why the Democrats keep bragging about this as if every "bipartisan" bill has merit. The Overton Window continues to shift right. Just because the vociferous Republicans spouted incorrect information about the bill, that doesn't make the quality of actual bill have any merit. I'm ashamed that any democrat thought this"immigration" reform bill was something worth fighting for. It is an anti immigration package that gives significantly more money and power to homeland security. It focused on funding border walls, detention centers, increasing the burden of proof required for asylum seekers, among others. It is a horrendous bill that cares little for immigrants.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (8 children)

That only underscores the point of advertising their refusal to pass it: it should have fully satisfied Republicans and given them most of what they want, but the Orange Shit Stain said not to pass it so they could complain about immigration during the election.

Democrats should use it as a loud and constant example of how Republicans are not leaders and have no solutions for America.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

This is it. If were talking about immigrants not eating pets, we're not talking about how Harris whooped trumps ass.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 2 months ago

Offering a $5000 bounty for video proof is the same as paying $5000 for someone to manufacture the proof. This is like a Cobra bounty in India only results in Cobra farms.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 months ago (1 children)

JFC, the person who started all this on Facebook says it's false and these freaks are like "NOPE, THIS IS ALL WE CARE ABOUT NOW"

[–] Kecessa 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That person deserves some jail time

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

That person har indirectly gotten someone murdered.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 months ago (2 children)

People, remember how Trump presidency went! Bad news for Trump? Float a batshiit crazy thing to get the media to play with that shiny ball instead. This is a fucking distraction, Trump lost the debate, he is courting fascists, he is old and weird and people leave his rallys bored, he had to throw a stink bomb

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I see no way in which this benefits him

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The topic does not matter.

The assertion at hand does not matter.

Whether anyone believes the assertion does not matter.

The only thing that matters is: Are you playing offense or defense?

Cuz attacking looks like winning. And explaining looks like losing.

https://youtu.be/wmVkJvieaOA

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Wow. They are really going over the deep end on this. How could this possibly help them win votes?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Backtracking equals flip-flopping, and then it's a slippery slope to learning and growing and admitting you were wrong.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You're probably right. And if they're going to keep swimming towards the bottom of the pool, I really want journalists to start asking them why Haitians are eating pets. Because that's the part that they haven't actually made clear.

Haitians don't eat dogs and cats in Haiti. The Haitians in Springfield aren't starving, most of them have jobs. So why are they eating them, JD?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

JD isn’t talking to people who think stuff through like that, he’s talking to racists and they don’t care if it’s true or not, it gives them an excuse to feel that way.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They need to send Jose Maria Del Pino, the reporter who kicked Stephen Miller right in his whataboutism. That dude was relentless and would not fall for his shit.

JD would be fucked.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Dude has an accent in his voice, ergo he's "biased" according to the loonies.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (24 children)

It's a distraction, classic Trump move to get you to look at something else

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Given most of the stuff right wingers complain about is projection, maybe we need to check this guy's myfitnesspal

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

I don't know about JD, but RFK, Jr. once literally got accused of eating a dog, so you think he at least would be out there calling them on this bullshit.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4753486-rfk-jr-vanity-fair-article/

Apparently not though. Guess it's okay when the accusation is against black immigrants.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

JDV is like a toddler trying to trick you by hiding behind the curtains, but you can still see his Scooby Doo Velcro shoes and he’s back there giggling.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

“Another ‘debunked’ story that turned out to have merit.”

This is the most infuriating thing they do. They assume that any developing story is actually the most extreme version that favors their side. Then they ignore all evidence to the contrary and fish for any evidence that they can claim as confirmation, even if it doesn't pass the laugh test. But they assert "It was confirmed!" with such confidence and shamelessness that it becomes easier for people to believe them, and eventually the media stops trying to debunk them.

Definitely not the first time this happened. If you wanna find other examples, look at anything where experts on the topic believe one thing but a majority of the American people believe the other. It's pretty much guaranteed that the thing the American people believe originated as GOP propaganda.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

CH CH CH CHICK CHECKMATE!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Swift, the crazy cat lady, gives endorsement, distract with crazy cat news. This is a distraction, Trump does this

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (22 children)

Being super racist as a distraction is not a very good distraction. It also doesn't distract from the Swift endorsement at all.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I guess this will be the new birth certificate thing for them.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

That, at least, had a vague air of plausibility. People do come to the U.S. illegally and people do have faked identification documents. It also only attacked one person. This is attacking a whole group of people with a ludicrous (and very obviously racist) charge. I realize there are a lot of idiots in this country, but I have a feeling this is going beyond the pale for some people who were going to vote for Trump. I don't know that they'll vote for Harris, but they might sit this one out.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad 15 points 2 months ago (6 children)

it would be so much work to stalk, kill, prep and eat someone's dog or cat. people don't even keep their pets outside much anymore. If people had pigs or some larger, meatier pets kept outside all hours at least it'd be a more realistic lie but like c'mon... who's out there with fuggen ninja cat hunting skills? What are they using to quietly and efficiently kill these pets? Who even got that kinda time?

If this dumb cluck had any sense he'd say they were buying pups from PetSmart or breeding them themselves to eat or something. That lie would at least be in the realm of possibility! Nobody's pets would have to disappear before an idiot believed it!

Fucking loser can't even stoke hate properly

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Seriously, there's better eating on a pigeon, and they're easier to catch.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Grilling chicken in Ohio, eh? Hmm, I hear there's a huge orange chicken who is scared to have a second debate because he got so badly humiliated in the first one. He might want to stay away from Ohio since they are grilling his kind.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

There is no such thing as an "honest conservative". No such thing.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

I hope the people in the video sue the fuck out of him

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

US politics is hilarious. Why do you even waste time on those dumbasses? Go and do productive things. You have lots of time while this crazy trumpy shit is going on.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Because we're fucking terrified of them winning.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Lots of people were 100% convinced in 2016 that there was no way Trump could win. I know because, TBH, I was one of them. So I don't think it's anywhere near out of the question that Trump might win this year; I do not know it, neither do you, neither does anyone else.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

We are a handful of days away from some right wing weirdo showing a video of a non-white person sneezing and captioning it with "wtf they firing guns in the street". And that will become a popular talking point, and people will demand the death penalty.

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