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[–] [email protected] 250 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Look, NATO is bad, that's why it's absolutely necessary for anti-imperialism purposes that Russia invades its neighbors before they can get into NATO!

[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Which works about as good as rhe war on terror

[–] [email protected] 88 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"Bro just one more invasion bro I swear this time it'll really solve ~~terrorism~~ Western Imperialism(tm) for good!"

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[–] [email protected] 163 points 3 months ago (36 children)

I'd be glad if NATO didn't exist.

It would mean countries wouldn't feel threatened by their neighbors, and no invasions would happen.

But until that is the case, NATO is necessary.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago (12 children)

I would much prefer every country in the planet being in NATO.

Any country attacks any other country? Literally the whole world goes to defend it. So no invasions are possible.

It wouldn't work though. Wouldn't take much time for alliances to form that agree to not follow NATO'S rules.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'd like your comment more if it said: "I’d be glad if NATO didn’t have to exist"

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Sure I'm a NATO apologist: I'm sorry NATO is necessary because Russia is such an antagonistic fuckwad.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Russia had a choice: play by the west's rules, or play second fiddle to China. They chose the latter unfortunately for them and for us.

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[–] prettybunnys 118 points 3 months ago (12 children)

Gentle reminder that blocking the entire Lemmy.ml instance has made this place a lot less … tankie

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes, that paragon of leftist virtue...

...*checks notes*...

Muammar Gaddafi?

And they wonder why they don't get taken seriously.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The point is not that Gaddafi was a leftist, but that NATO is an evil imperialistic offensive organisation that overthrows governments

Of course Libya was never a NATO mission, was done by two countries (I include the UK as part of the USA at this point) that certainly could have coordinated even if NATO did not exist. France has always been the most NATO sceptical country in the union as well.

Oh and let's not forget that blaming NATO allows them to forget the real reason France got involved there. But why would they want to distract people away from Sarkozy and his neoimperialism? Let me check what's he got to say about Ukraine... Yup, checks out

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I got banned on a lemmy.ml sub for pointing out a post was misleading, that's it.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (16 children)

People here complain about reddit mods being power tripping, but my experience on Lemmy has been equal if not worse. Ml and hexbear being obvious examples, but I've even gotten 7 or 30 days bans, with no warning, for stupid shit that I've seen plenty of other people do, in a news sub and aboringdystopia, obviously because the mod disagreed with my opinion, they were just using some minor violation of the rules to justify banning me.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (20 children)

lol before I realized what ml meant I made a comment that I thought that communism had never happened yet on earth but that it could one day. You wouldn’t believe the rage and attack from dozens of people who were inconsolable.

They also got mad when I said that there are only a few actual leftists in government in the US. Turns out that everyone is one, dontchano

[–] Noel_Skum 27 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Your first sentence is not wrong; as I understand Marx’s writing. Essentially it is not possible to go from agrarianism straight to communism without first building an industrial society. That’s how Russia / USSR, China etc don’t “technically” count.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (17 children)

I’m referring more to the fact that Marx envisioned the populace rising up. What really rose in places like Russia and China was a group of self appointed elites who were really just reactionaries.

Tankies get mad because they believe that their utopia already exists and everyone else is an idiot for not ascribing to the same.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Your first sentence is not wrong; as I understand Marx’s writing. Essentially it is not possible to go from agrarianism straight to communism without first building an industrial society. That’s how Russia / USSR, China etc don’t “technically” count.

Don't worry, Lenin et co said you could do it if you believed extra super hard and gave all the power to a small clique of intellectuals. Lenin, like Jesus and the Gospels, takes precedence over prior teachings.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago

"Read theory and you would know what I'm talking about."

That is a common thought terminating response to any critique of communism. That being said, I learned to flip the table. Tankies talk about theory, so mention empirical and practical results. They tend to either shut down or ban you.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Those... aren't even mutually exclusive opinions? NATO can exist for more than one reason.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There is only one good opinion at any time, citizen. The correct opinion (my opinion) can change any time, but any different opinion is doubleplusungood.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What happened in Libya according to them?

[–] [email protected] 122 points 3 months ago (38 children)

Poor Gaddafi was attacked by the corrupt NATO, to the disgust of the rest of the world (except that it was resolution by the UN security council).

[–] [email protected] 70 points 3 months ago (2 children)

except that it was resolution by the UN security council

You mean the Security Council over which Russia has veto power? That UN Security Council?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

One air campaign in Libya (permitted by UNSCR 1973) > fourteen Russian invasions

Checkmate, Westoids

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago

I’m just waiting till the deferation from lemmy.ml

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm shocked it wasn't a permaban, honestly.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

If you ever need to have a dialogue on any subject and want a reasonable partner, don't worry - you can just have that morning coffee and you'll eventually shit out better choices than the entirety of ml, hexbear, lemmygrad and a bunch of other cuntwaffles combined.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (27 children)

Time to block an instance :p

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Hard agree. The Fediverse would be much healthier if more instances defederated Hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml. They constantly spread propaganda for violent dictators.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

I find Lemmy.ml users tolerable, mostly. At least, not significantly worse than other instances. It's the admins and mods that concern me. It's why I avoid .ml communities like the plague.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (2 children)

They love to pick and choose who to enforce their rules against.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

how dare you critize the regime comrade

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (14 children)
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