If the Democrats don’t win a landslide, this goes nowhere.
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It’s not gonna happen, we need 2/3rds of states, but when republicans block it, it sends a clear message who the wannabe autocrats are.
it sends a clear message
eye-roll Need to stop pretending that Republicans are just being cutesy and cryptic, and recognize that large parts of the country fully endorse a fascist federal government.
Let them vote against it. Let them vote against all the popular ideas and see where that gets them.
See where it gets them? It gets them right where we are now, with them on the precipice of turning the country over into a russian style dictatorship with billionaire oligarchs and their bought politicians running little fiefdoms?
Have you not being paying attention to how fucking enthusiastic a not-insignificant chunk of the country is for fascism and enshrining their teams power as dominate and eternal?
tldr: Stop being blind in your tolerance. Start calling everything you see that is unjust and malicious out. Your freedom probably depends on it
You make a fair point. I do think there are signs the democrats and progressive are finally seeing that they need to play hardball. Amendments are a long play, and if the democrats have “candidate x thinks Clarence Thomas should be able to go on million dollar vacations in exchange for his vote on the Supreme Court” to smack every republican with for the next decade or so, it makes winning the necessary states a real possibility.
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Most republicans I know believe that their party, like their country and their religion, needs to be followed blindly; if their party supports it, it's good, and if their party rejects it, it's bad. End of story. No more thought will, or should, be put into it.
The people who go on and on about how America is the best because "freedom" are now working out whatever mental gymnastics they need to perform to justify voting for the man who said if you vote for him you won't need to vote anymore. They already chose to support Trump and his party - nothing they say or do anymore will change that decision.
It seems like republican voters deeply believe that their way is the "right" way and they're willing to do anything to impose it on the nation in perpetuity.
I'm sure most aren't really comfortable with trump, but they're willing to overlook his rough edges if he can establish a republican government.
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An amendment needs to be proposed by 2/3 of both houses of congress, or 2/3 of states can call a convention where any amendments can be proposed. Then an amendment needs to get 3/4 of states to ratify.
If I’m reading this right, that is.
So we need 2/3 of both houses of congress and 3/4 of state legislatures to agree. A large hurdle, but doable and necessary for our democracy. We’ve done it before, and now is a time in our history begging for amendments/reform.
You're optimistic about it being doable. Maybe if it was put to a vote in each of the states or maybe if it wasn't currently relevant to one party's head. But not put to a vote by the state legislatures. There only needs to be 13 state legislatures that say no to keep it from happening. The last time we passed an amendment was over 30 years ago and was just not allowing congress to give themselves a pay raise in the same term. Not a super contentious thing like presidential immunity when it the previous republican president is facing several criminal trials.
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There are still other options if this goes nowhere. If they have the numbers, they can impeach the sitting justices and/or pack the court with more.
Also, it's possible that if the republicans see a string of back-to-back democrat presidents, maybe presidential immunity would be less popular. Especially after trump finally kicks the bucket.
Of course none of this matters if the dems don't win in November.
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Absolutely right but it does also make this a more concrete election issue. This sets up Harris clearly for reform and makes a strong argument against Trump's criminality and the corruption he spreads.
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Good. We needed to hear this. How much can be done, we shall see, but a plan is a great starting point.
Vote but I think it would be absolutely brilliant if Biden uses the immunity to arrest and remove every single person trying to strip our country away. Lock up every last one, including any corrupt judges.
I think it would be absolutely brilliant if Biden uses the immunity to arrest and remove
He's not doing this and people need to stop wish-casting that he would in order to cope with the party's refusal to oppose Republican policy.
If Democrats follow that playbook it only legitimizes it, giving a future Republican administration the green light to do it as well.
The correct response is what we're seeing from Biden today. Put it down on paper and get it on record who really supports the rule of law
If Democrats follow that playbook it only legitimizes it, giving a future Republican administration the green light to do it as well.
I 100% agree in spirit. However...
giving a future Republican administration the green light to do it
One of the many problems with American politics is that the Republicans do not need legitimacy or a green light. They'll fucking do it anyway. They'll also cry foul if they catch a whiff of a democrat thinking about doing it. Or they'll just accuse a democrat of doing it and they'll just use that as justification for doing it first.
They know their policies are wildly unpopular and that they won't even be able to maintain power by illegitimate minority rule, which they have been doing for decades now.
It's grab power now or regroup and accept that they've lost the culture war. They are not going to go quietly, as recent events and Project 2025 has made crystal clear.
If I understood the ruling correctly, that "immunity" is the supreme court saying the president is immune for "official acts" - and they get to decide what those are. This is not immunity for Biden, it's a fascist coup happening in slow motion.
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it's a testament to how corrupt the court has gotten that just four years ago public sentiment was steadfastly against reforming the court.
And that's how much damage one lunatic republican can do when in office. Four more years of it without some kind of safety net in place will destroy the country as we know it. Thanks for ruining everything good republicans!
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It also seems to be a testament to how nothing (barring term-limits) is gonna be done. The previous laws and regulations were perfectly adequate until the supreme court ruled "uh-uh." There still seems to be a perceptual disconnect between those not playing fairly and the Democrat~~ic~~ establishment.
I have doubts a constitutional amendment will pass, but hopefully there are other avenues to enact this plan.
Oh really? I'd now like to see you throughout historical events right before they happened, expressing your doubts as if you uniquely had them... "I don't know, guys..."
Yes, that's the point. Nobody has 100% faith that this is a rubber stamp, that's not the point.
First, the announcement itself from a sitting American president is historic and important, second, it keeps a hard focus on the corrupt conservative frauds and illegitimacy of this current court. Those are the victories, the actual congressional amendment (a process designed to be difficult in a process that demands consensus) is and always was the long shot that could happen.
I don’t get the appointing of a new judge every two years for 18 years. Does that mean that the courts are gonna like fill up with a bunch of justices or is it just every two years you can replace an empty seat?
To expand on what AirBreather said, the new justices would have an 18 year term, replacing one every two years.
this is actually a reasonable solution I pushed a while back. Basically, it would keep the aspect of the court changing slowly (an intentional feature,) but it would still let it change. Further, each president gets two SCOTUS peeps at predictable times, removing the ability of the senate to play games and game the system. (or installing relatively young judges who will serve for forty+ years.)
I was pleasantly surprised to see him propose this too. I've heard a lot of people online throw around the idea. I'm glad it's getting more mainstream attention too.
Not to mention, this also ensures the court is keeping up with modern society. You won't have 80 year old judges using outdated interpretations
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Once the lifetime appointees have been dealt with in whatever way, the Court will have nine members, each appointed one after the other with two years in between, with the next-most-senior member's term expiring every two years to keep the number stable at nine.
Once the lifetime appointees have been dealt with
This sounds specially more ominous now that the President is untouchable.
The same dark comedy thought crossed my mind!
I expect they might retire and replace the existing judges, one every two years, in order of length of time already served. This would make it so they start this new system off already having 9 seats filled.
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How many justices do you think there will be if there’s a new one appointed each two years and they are term-limited to 18 years?
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Step 1) Executive order that appoints fake judges to the supreme Court, bypass Congress by ordering the executive branch to treat the judges as legitimate.
There is no step 2.
i mean technically it's an official act as president so it's not illegal.
Supreme Court: Who said you could do this?!
President: You did
"I learned it from you, Dads!"
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Would have been nice to add insider trading by anyone in government to this list
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This has been a long time coming. here's hoping the US gives Kamala a blue Congress so we can enact these changes.
I'm a bit skeptical on the first bullet point: while I'm all for an amendment to the US constitution that spells out in detail the limits on presidential authority, it's still an amendment that has to get passed. That means that it needs a 2/3rds majority in both the House and the Senate, or it needs to be supported by 2/3rds of the state legislatures. I don't think there's any way in hell that Biden's going to be able to get that through while the prospect of Trump regaining the presidency is on the horizon. At the moment, 47% of the US Senate is Democrat, with 4% caucusing with the Democrats most of the time, 49% of the US House is Democrat, and 46% of State Governors are Democrat. While it's not 100% certain that all Republicans would vote along party lines, I'm reasonably certain that all Republicans would vote along party lines, which means a constitutional amendment is dead in the water.
Now, if Harris wins the presidency, there's a good chance that the Republicans would be willing to vote for an amendment to curtail presidential authority. But right now? Nuh uh. Not gonna happen. As for the other two bullet points, they're certainly more possible right now than a constitutional amendment, but still unlikely. Dems don't have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, and I'm certain that the Republicans would filibuster the shit out of that. Even if that wasn't the case, there's no way it'd pass the House. Best case scenario, Harris wins, with a large majority in both houses, and is able to push some legislation along these lines through.
Edit: changed language from "ratified by 2/3rds of the states" to "supported by 2/3rds of the state legislatures".
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Ha. Good luck with that, seeing as it'll be the supreme court ruling on the constitutionality of any law that's passed. In short it'll take a constitutional amendment to do anything, and that's not happening in this political climate
He can kill them all and declare it an official act
"No one is above the law" seems a bit of circular with the fact that the law is what the Supreme Court says it is. Similarly, who would decide whether a Supreme Court judge violates the purported Code of Conduct?
I guess it would all come to the legislation branch, but even if the reform goes through, I'm afraid that the political division in the Congress would limit its effectiveness.
Similarly, who would decide whether a Supreme Court judge violates the purported Code of Conduct?
Congress could impeach them, but the bar is high and Republicans have proven they will vote for party over country multiple times.
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