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Trump didn’t answer a single fucking question and blathered on just as much- yet of course the focus is ALL on Biden. Trump didn’t even have to show up.
The hate was there before it began.
Not a word about what “King” Trump said or did…. And here we are. America deserves Trump at this point.
There are two ways to look at this. In one respect you can say why the hell are so many Americans still not grasping just how bad Trump is?
But then you need to assume the responsibility of being the more informed party and adjust your strategy not for the electorate you want but for the electorate you have.
And that electorate is demanding a better candidate for Democrats to appeal to said uninformed undecided swing state voters who will decide this election.
America deserves Trump at this point.
The rest of the world doesn't, he'll mess things up far beyond the US. Encouraging Russia/North Korea, weakening NATO, all sorts of trade wars, there's so much he could throw a wrench in.
America deserves Trump at this point.
Only the people who vote for him deserve him. Kinda how that works.
God.fucking.dammit.
When these two debates were announced, I knew it was going to be fucked up, but NO. Oooh he’s got to debate! He’ll show everyone how bad trump is! He needs to do it to help the undecideds!
Fucking insane gibberish of a person who learned NOTHING from 2016. We got away with it in 2020 on the sheer novelty of an adult, a representative of government, telling trump to shut the fuck up. Now that was good tv. But it was a one-off.
And now look at this shit. These fuckheads who can’t wait to elect trump are all up in here going “ooooh noooo Biden’s so bad he’s making us have trump be elected!1!!”
Goddammit. The fucking “Operation gENoSiDE jOe” wasn’t gaining enough traction so THANK FUCK a bunch of Harvard MBA fuckups roundly decided Joe should stand on stage with a demented socopathic rapist who is functionally incapable of telling the truth and, y’know, give folks in the rural areas a little of the ol’, y’know, compare and contrast! What a goddamned brilliant idea. Hey! Let’s do it twice! Yeah! We are soooo smrt.
Son of a fucking bitch, now we have to watch this garbage-truck-off-a-cliff-in-slow-motion for probably the next three months while all the Li’l Che Guevaras pile in every thread like clowns in a decrepit, backfiring bus, farting and defecating the same pointless key phrases over and over.
DNC, you fucked up again because you refuse to understand how media works. Trumps out here kicking in windows and laughing and you guys are faxing press releases to republiQan-run news organizations and hoping their spin isn’t terrible. Christ in a bucket.
They fucked up losing Bernie Sanders, easy 8 years (people would have grown to love him)
Dude is fucking sharp, huge misfire on not backing him.
No argument from me. Except that it passed already and, well, gestures to everything
Has it ever occurred to you the short bus Che Guevaras were farting the phrases because they saw this coming?
I’ll vote for any D, no matter what, but Biden is a sure loser in the general. Independents are fucking mentally defective. You need a showman to win at the margins, where this idiotic election will be decided.
I can’t believe how many of you are so myopic as to think everything’s fine.
I'm voting against the bad man, but if you ever had any shred of belief that Dems respect your opinion, either this should kill it or your mind can't be changed.
I don't think an alternate candidate this late in the race is a good idea, and I wonder why you do?
If biden dropped out now, and any of the other prospective candidates who've been mentioned recently (except kamala), I'd be way more energized and excited about this election. Way more. And I'm not the only one either.
Both biden and trump should not be our candidates for president.
A New York Times poll conducted after the debate, which was published on Wednesday, suggested Trump was now holding his biggest lead yet at six points.
And a separate poll published by the BBC’s US partner CBS News suggested Trump has a three-point lead over Mr Biden in the crucial battleground states
Him refusing to listen to voters is reason enough to replace him.
But Joe can't win without Dem voters. Every indication is he's willing to hand trump the presidency out of spite if the party doesn't force him out.
He's not fit to be president, even if we beat Trump. We're stuck with this shit where Biden does whatever the fuck he wants, and rarely agrees with the people who put him in office.
I mean, this is the kind of messaging we should expect from the office until the exact moment he flips. There isn't anything really "new" in this BBC article, its mostly a rehash of several other articles and polls that have come out since last Thursday.
I'm still holding out for an announcement this evening/ tomorrow morning, but I am becoming less confident in that. I'm still confident that Biden isn't going to be the nominee, but he's creating a significant cost associated with him continuing to run as a lost-cause candidate. We need to move on and regroup, and we're running out of time to do so.
At this point, Biden needs to basically recover 30 points in the polling to overcome the disadvantage we know he carries going into a general (we have seen how he underperforms his polling on election day; we also know that Trump typically outperforms his polling on election day). A thirty point swing at this point is a statistical impossibility, for those being practical about the matter. I can post the analysis again, but no swing of that magnitude has ever happened this close to election day. Ever. Based on his current polling, Biden has a less than 1% probability of winning, which is to say, basically impossible.
Even changing the nominee is risky at this point. There's never been a party that has won when changing the nominee at the "last minute."
That's what's scary here, replacing him could even be more disastrous than standing behind him. Both are bad choices. We've been fucked into a bad choice by a party that doesn't give a shit about its own voters.
If only literally anybody in the party apparatus had listened to reason in four fucking years instead of being like "We can cart his corpse out until he croaks like we did with Dianne Feinstein."
Even changing the nominee is risky at this point.
So is not replacing him, and the hand wringing around it being a problem is a significant contributor to this mess lasting as long as it has.
The right answer is to go to an open convention and duke it out the way its always been done in the past. At least bring back some semblance of democracy to the Democratic party; you'll get a SHIT ton of coverage on the matter; it will turn into a real horse race and get people engaged, and then you'll have a candidate is at least competitive, which Biden isnt.
You shouldnt be scared of replacing Biden. Thats like being scared of pulling over in a car with a flat tire.
Welcome to how the Democrats have operated as a party since the Bill Clinton era in the 90's.
I'm ready for the next step, which is to blame voters for not voting hard enough, after *checks notes... two years of viciously saying "You can't critique the President it's too close to an election" as if it's never not too close to an election to critique Democrats apparently.
The debate isn't even the issue. It's the fact that we just got a king and he's saying that we, the people who voted him in, are the only ones that can stop a dictatorship. We're not - he literally has all of the power to save democracy and isn't doing jack but campaign on the fall of the US
Nothing is stopping him from Officially Acting on six Supreme Court Justice literally right now.
Changing candidates now is a terrible Idea. Who is proposed to replace him? None of these articles posit a different candidate, just not Biden. Ridiculous
Literally Anyone Else 2024
Anyone else is a popular choice. Everyone loves anyone else. That is, until you name anyone else.
Harris, Newsom, Whitmer, Pritzker, and Shapiro are the most common potential replacements I've seen floated.
Realistically it would be harris or newsom, and they are both as unpopular as biden. Obviously they are mentally sharper but have other baggage.
And considering the DNC locked Sanders out of winning primaries twice in a row, how are all the disenfranchised Democrat voters supposed to feel about...
The party choosing to ignore Biden's advanced age and not letting the cat out of the bag until well after we could have run some primaries and let the voters decide.
We're left with two options with a month and a half to the convention. Let the party apparatchiks choose the candidate, or let the delegates choose the candidate, both of which are inherently anti-democratic choices.
The DNC made these choices on purpose and are leaving voters without an actual choice on purpose. It is literally the party's choices that have lead us to this moment, but somehow the party making another bad choice will fix things? I seriously doubt that.
Who, when chosen by the DNC for us, (not BY us) do you think will actually excite voters?
Michele Obama is the only one consistently beating Trump in polls. Not that I want Obama v2, but that's where it stands currently.
Done properly, a replacement would get a big bump with the nomination, but that's not much to count on.
Jon Stewart would probably wipe the floor with Trump if anyone can figure out how to draft him.
Trump literally just has to throw some insults and jokes out there and he can avoid questions with no backlash. If an insurrection didn't damage him I don't know what will, Biden's issue is his own problem of people seeing him not being mentally sharp in real time so all the smoke and mirror are gone.
There is no real way to undo the damage here. Should people pick him over Trump yes. It is going to be hard when his admin so far has nothing but gain apathy towards him and the only people doing fine are his rich/well off donor base.
Biden had 1 long-shot chance to bridge echo-chambers and show the country he can lead. To reach those undecided swing-state voters.
It's why he took this debate. Because he was already losing them.
And he blew it to such a catastrophic level it's not impacting congressional down-ballot races already.
Fun fact: Biden now shares the title of Ford, Carter, HW Bush, and Trump who were incumbent presidents who trailed in polls both before and after the first debate... All of whom lost reelection.
Bro that was beyond a "screw up". He let his challenger say shit like "they are aborting kindergarteners", unchallenged. Trump knew instantly he had it in the bag as soon as Biden started farting out words.