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[-] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago

Teachers can make this backfire by teaching kids about how Jesus said, among other things:

  • Rich people don't go to heaven
  • Jesus's answer to religious people not wanting to see things was for the people complaining to pluck out their eyes.
  • How Jesus told his followers to sell their shit and give it to the poor.

All things republicans hate because it goes against their ideals. Also they can talk about how in Acts it says Christians lived communally or just read James 5:1-6 verbatim.

But I guarantee the schools will force their teachers only to read parts of the bible that the state demand, because it's not about Christianity, it's about using religion to control people.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Teach them the story of Lot and his daughters, let them go home and ask their parents about it.

[-] kamenoko 3 points 3 days ago

America was founded on the principle of no official state religion and has fought against it ever since.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

You've not fought against it very well, have you?

  • You have school "voucher" schemes for religious schools, which do shit like teach kids that Evolution is wrong because of the bible.
  • You added "In God we Trust" do your money and added "Under God" to the pledge of allegiance in the 1950s (The pledge, with or without it, is in itself a form of state worship).
  • You have had presidents (Reagan, Bush II) openly promote the idea that America is a Christian state through historical falsehoods.
  • One of the most powerful factions in your government are American Evangelicals who have used their power to promote religious based laws, especially against women and minorities.
  • Every President in recent times has had to show themselves to be openly Christian, with "not being christian (enough)" being a common attack strategy.

And that's just Christianity, if I was going to go into how you worship the state...

  • You have Four Faces of Presidents carved on a literal sacred mountain.
  • You make your kids pledge allegiance to the state every morning (I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands).
  • You have two (2) congress funded art pieces that depict George Washington as a God (Washington Enthroned and The Apotheosis of Washington), the latter of which is in the oculus of the Rotunda at Congress for everyone to see.
  • The Lincoln Memorial is straight up designed like a Greco-Roman Temple.
  • You have, as a social norm, displaying your flag outside your house.

How is that not going to be interpreted as "religious"?

Now, I know someone is going to be all "lol aren't you from the uk where you worship the royal family" well guess fucking what:

  1. Barely anyone in the UK worships the royals, especially where I'm from (Scotland) and the people who do even in England are considered weird. Our relationship with the Royals as a country is usually one of aggressive irreverence. My family's nicknames for the king includes "The Jug Eared Dwarf", "Chuckie III" and "Tearlach an Chluas".
  2. Despite having two (2) established churches (Church of England and Church of Scotland), non religious people make up the majority and the UK is aggressively secular.
  3. Despite the established religion and having the (in practice) head of state also be the (in practice) head of the Church, none of our politicians try and use religion to justify their bullshit and those who do are considered wankers.

America, in the eyes of most of the world, is aggressively religious, not just in terms of christianity but also in worship of the state.

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[-] [email protected] 159 points 5 days ago

Time for malicious compliance: "Kids, today we're talking about two girls got their dad drunk and raped him to get pregnant.

[-] [email protected] 84 points 5 days ago

They'll have to be more creative, because the demand is for teachers to tell kids about the Bible's place in U.S. history.

So I think teaching them about this might be more appropriate: https://www.npr.org/2018/12/09/674995075/slave-bible-from-the-1800s-omitted-key-passages-that-could-incite-rebellion

They might also teach about this man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin

[-] [email protected] 75 points 5 days ago

Or how about how the bible was used as an excuse to try to keep Americans dumb and ignorant. An excellent example of exactly where the Bible fits into American history.

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[-] [email protected] 97 points 5 days ago

Some neighboring states that aren't christo-fascist are about to get some really good teachers. Welcome to Colorado!

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago

I'm so fucking tired of the US. Shit just always seems to get worse, and for every little victory, we take another huge leap towards a fascist theocracy.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

I like to tell myself that these are the death throes of a dying ideology.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Oh yes, one way or the other. Things are certainly crashing, and the question is what will happen in the aftermath.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

'Teach Bible'... only churches should 'teach bible' and nobody should be forced to go to church.

Is it even christian to force a sermon onto people?

[-] freeman 3 points 3 days ago

Is it even christian to force a sermon onto people

Well historically Christian denominations have been quite pushy to say the least.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

What they failed to realise is teachers can have a unique ability to make kids hate a subject.

If you force them to do it, they can do it really badly without it being obvious.

I can imagine reading the Bible word for for in monotone from day 1 won't be a good experience.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago

Just read only the parts about incest and rape and waiting for all the parents to complain

[-] [email protected] 46 points 5 days ago

The goal is, here, to have an accurate view of American history

By teaching bronze age fairy tales set in the Middle East.

[-] [email protected] 45 points 5 days ago

Surely this could backfire in so many hilarious ways?

  • Teach the parts that conservatives don't do, and teach your class to call out injustice everywhere.
  • Teach the bible in Aramaic or Ancient Hebrew, and give the kids 30 mins of study time to learn whatever they want from it.
  • Use it as an exercise to teach that many parts were written thousands of years ago, and doesn't have current medical or societal advancements, so that many parts might be up to interpretation.
  • Compare it to Islam, Judaism, and other sects of Christianity - and teach that they're basically the same thing and that everyone should get along.
  • Reference that the pope said years ago that even nonbelievers that led a good life would be offered a seat in heaven, so be nice and it'll all be fine.
[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Oh I don't know that I would make the claim that major world religions are all about people getting along. I'd say we can find some parts that are much less friendly than that.

Why don't we go back to Genesis. Lot is an exciting character, and tells us a lot about God's character. And then it gets creepy too.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

Also you should explain to your child students what is a prostitute

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

And this is the same cunt that was blaming "the radical left" for "politicizing" the death of a child under his care. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/23/us/oklahoma-nonbinary-student-superintendent.html

[-] [email protected] 56 points 5 days ago

Reading the Memorandum, it doesn't specify what Bible is to be used. Perhaps malicious compliance uses a "alternative" version?

Also found this from the Satanic Temple (who hopefully is on top of this) -

If a public school permits the distribution of religious materials to the student body, they have opened a limited public forum and are obligated to allow religious materials from other faiths. This principle applies to other forms of school-sponsored religious expression as well.

Also funny how these hypocrites go on and on about indoctrination, and then want to indoctrinate every kid in the state by law.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What good does dumbing them down by defunding education have if you don't indoctrinate the new cattle?

They're farming GOP idiots.

Keep em poor, uneducated and breeding without a way to abort and in the future no contraception

[-] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago

It's always projection.

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[-] [email protected] 58 points 5 days ago

So I have friends in Texas who have lost their license for one reason or another. This has a wider range of effect than most realize. When applying for ANY other state licensing, in any other industry, the fact that your teaching license was revoked, no matter what the reason was (it won't say why on reports) it's a mark against you when applying for others. All they see is oh this person HAD a state license and it got revoked so, maybe we shouldn't grant this other one.

[-] [email protected] 54 points 5 days ago

It's plainly illegal, and I'm sure the goal is for SCOTUS to take it up and make it legal.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago

It’s plainly illegal

SCOTUS will just ignore any precedents and give the states the right to do what they want.

We’ve already seen this playbook in action.

We’ve been fools for relying on precedent.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

School teachers, complying with letter of the law: "Bible says there was flood. Science shows there wasn't. Bible says diseases appeared as result of sin. Science shows diseases existed long before humans."

[-] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago

they’d face the same consequences as one who refuses to teach about the Civil War

Now I’m really afraid to find out what this includes

[-] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago

Which is a hilarious Freudian slip on their part. Who is it that they think don't want to teach about the Civil War? Could it be the ones who instead refer to it as the "war of northern aggression" and try to erase the context of slavery by saying it was about "states rights"?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Reason number * I'm glad I don't live I'm america

[-] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Any of you remember Kitzmiller v. Dover? It was a case that essentially ruled that teaching ID/creationism was a theological doctrine and thus couldn't be included in the biology curriculum of schools across the country. While the issues here at not the same (teaching creationsim vs mandatory bible studies), they have the same ideological underpinnings. Unless we're talking about Sunday school*, schools must remain secular institutions where discussions of religions are from a neutral perspective in regards to the humanities. As to regards to a hypothetical Supreme Court case: considering how ultra-conservative the Supreme Court has become in recent years, I fear that they might side the theocrats.

*Are those still a thing?

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[-] [email protected] 31 points 5 days ago

Oh just fuck off.

[-] ArbitraryValue 37 points 5 days ago

The funny thing is that a basic understanding of the Bible is actually important for making sense of American history - the people making that history were strongly influenced by the Bible and so unless you know at least the major "plot points", their actions (and a lot of literature) won't make much sense.

With that said, I don't trust Oklahoma to teach about the Bible in a manner appropriate for historical analysis rather than religious dominance.

[-] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago

he people making that history were strongly influenced by the Bible

Depends what era you're talking about and what you mean by influence. I would say that the reason Thomas Paine's Age of Reason was so popular and that Jefferson made his own version of the New Testament, which removed the supernatural, suggest that the Bible was less of an influence in the founding of the nation than would be supposed here. The fact that Muhammad is in as venerated a place on the Supreme Court building as Moses also suggests they didn't think it was the source of all wisdom.

Really, you need to look no further than our legal system though to see how little influence the Bible and Christianity actually have. I don't just mean the First Amendment, I mean the fact that our whole system is basically a gradual evolution from the laws of Ancient Rome. They had trial by jury in Ancient Rome. It was a permanent jury, not a jury of one's peers, but you can see the skeleton of our legal system and how it came from those ancient heathens, not Jesus.

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago

Can I teach ANY part of the bible?

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

No way this isn't struck down. It's got to just be a political signaling play.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

They want it to go to SCOTUS so SCOTUS can (and probably will) make it legal.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

If more people actually read the Bible there would probably be fewer xtians.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago

Oh I can’t wait for the lawsuits to follow this bullshit.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

I'm still pissed we are spending tax payer money defending this shit. We are doing something similar in La.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

How can you teach Bible? Which historical happening in Israel influenced what part, which pagan deity Beelzebub was, etc?

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