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[–] [email protected] 144 points 4 months ago

As cool as that story is, it’s not correct. Taken from https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/article/71/1/46/819012/Mary-Somerville-s-vision-of-scienceThe-Scottish

“Mary Somerville’s iconic status is often summed up by stating that William Whewell, in his review of her book On the Connexion of the Physical Sciences, hailed her as the first “scientist.” But almost exactly the opposite was the case. Nowhere did Whewell or anyone else in her lifetime ever call Somerville a scientist, nor is it a word, so far as we know, that she ever used herself. By our current understanding of the term, Somerville can certainly be called a scientist, but for her contemporaries she belonged to a higher and more profound category entirely.”

[–] [email protected] 81 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Nice, a Lemmy post of a picture of a Tumblr post citing reddit for a completely bogus fact. We truly are using all of our brains these days.

[–] MeDuViNoX 27 points 4 months ago

Running wasn't invented until the late 15th century, when Thomas Running tried to walk twice at the same time!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What do you mean. Random internet screenshots are among the most reputable source. I'm even citing this post in a scientific work right now.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 months ago (2 children)

"I will now be regressing the equality she attempted to create in an attempt to be petty."

I need to take a psychology class because I just can't fucking understand people.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

Just as Lemmy's full of right-wing authoritarians preaching communism, it's also full of sexist assholes preaching feminism. I hope that one day the Fediverse will be mainstream enough that we'll get enough reasonable people to downvote this trash into oblivion, but we don't seem to be getting any closer to that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

do you think the responder is serious. do you.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

Sadly, I've seen more absurd comments be said with complete seriousness. I wish it weren't hard to tell.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 months ago (4 children)

This is cool and all but I feel like "Woman of Science" was the obvious workaround to their problem.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago

It's obvious because the woman "factoid" origin is completely made up and untrue.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

Given the time she lived in, I guess she didn't want to make it too obvious that she was a woman

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Leave it to women, am I right?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

a womanist doesn't sound right

[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago

Spoiler alert. The social media "fact" is completely made up.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago (3 children)

As a male scientist, I approve of this constant reaffirmation of my masculinity.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I dunno. "Man of science" has a really nice ring to it. ("Woman of Science" too.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I agree! They both sound very prestigious.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Come to Germany then.

German uses generic masculine grammatical gender and the state of Bavaria just banned the practice of "Gendern", meaning use both forms (male and female).

So you'd have to be referred to as male pretty much always.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They didn't ban the usage of both forms, they banned the usage of new forms, that try to combine masculine and feminine into a gender-neutral form, in administrative texts.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Nah, I'll just stay in Austria. xD

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

So you’re a man of science

Can I feel your bicep?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Sadly, no. My chest musculature is so enoumous that it completely envelops me. Kind of impractical in the lab sometimes, but that's the things you do for more testosterone.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This has to be bait or something. The fake fact aside, who would be against gendered professions and simultaneously advocating to gender a profession?

[–] Ajen 28 points 4 months ago

Also, why couldn't they call her a "woman of science?"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

also, the term for it was literally in the post, man of science, so male scientist is basically male man of science

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I hereby declare meself an alpha male man of sciences.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago

Behind many famous scientists there was a great woman whose work earned them the Nobel Prize.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That would imply that a make scientist would be a scientor, which sounds equally cool!

[–] Klear 3 points 4 months ago

I AM SCIENTOR! I NEED DATA AND EXPERIMENTS!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I think that's the ones that try to trick you out of your soul via the power of science.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Science-fighter

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

I thought it was him, William Whewell, in response to an almost rant from Samuel Taylor Coleridge about "natural philosophers" (today's scientists) not deserving to be called "philosophers".

I just googled it and found:

Coleridge stood and insisted that men of science in the modern day should not be referred to as philosophers since they were typically digging, observing, mixing or electrifying—that is, they were empirical men of experimentation and not philosophers of ideas.

[...]

There was much grumbling among those in attendance, when Whewell masterfully suggested that in “analogy with artist we form scientist.” Curiously this almost perfect linguistic accommodation of workmanship and inspiration, of the artisanal and the contemplative, of the everyday and the universal –was not readily accepted.

Yeah, that was the story I'd heard.

Another source says:

Coleridge declared that although he was a true philosopher, the term philosopher should not be applied to the association’s members. William Whewell responded by coining the word scientist on the spot. He suggested

by analogy with artist, we may form scientist.

It's funny because nobody remembers S. T. Coleridge as a philosopher but only as a poet. I've read that his philosophical writings were like an eccentric and almost immature version of German idealism. The thing that haunts me is that famous F. Schelling is well read but often misunderstood, so if they both were part of the romantic movement and they were both close to idealism, it could be that they both suffer the same fate.

Anyway, I digressed. That was the story I knew. Basically, a gatekeeping poet separated philosophers and natural philosophers.

It's even curious because there are rumours about men like Coleridge being "half-mad", and recently there have been studies on it. It would be ridiculous (just as history tends to be) if an old mad poet had divided these branches of knowledge on a fit of bad moods.

[–] Assman 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is your point that this source doesn't back up the Mary Somerville etymology or just an FYI?

Either way, the quote taught me about the word sciolist - a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well informed so thanks.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

It's Man of Science, not male scientist. It's right there in the post.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

"Man of science" sounds so much cooler than "scientist". Such a shame it's not used anymore

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

I guess it could have been, "sciencist". Glad it's not.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

this post is impressive in how it misses all the points

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Not even in the movie Oppenheimer they rise much the influence of Lisa Meitner

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

She has become the thing she hates.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

She was an average fighter, but she was a BRILLIANT scientist

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