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Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism (lemmy.world)
submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I mean, we got treated better than any colony...

Th English even turned a blind eye to smuggling for a long time. But eventually they started wanting their tax money, so they confiscated a couple smugglers, drastically limiting their supply. While shipping a bunch of legal tea and selling it cheap to get people used to buying cheap tea in stores legally.

In response a bunch of smugglers paid some people to dress as Native Americans and throw the legal tea into the harbor. Because now all tea was in short supply, everyone raised prices and the smugglers were able to stay operating and even lobby France to pay for a proxy war and provide generals as a "fuck you" to the English, which was like the French's favorite pass time.

America was never about Americans tossing out a tyrant ruler.

Our country was founded on the rich dicking over the average American so they could accumulate more wealth and power personally.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If anyone actually wants some light reading on some of the the complex reasons the Colonies rebelled that isn't such crude reductionism;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townshend_Acts

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intolerable_Acts

Intolerable Acts is the most interesting read imo.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

that isn’t such crude reductionism;

On a website most people make posts that are barely two sentences...

It never surprises me how often people bitch that I didn't cover ever single facet of an issue after typing paragrpaghs.

Like, my comments are already usually long enough people don't read it all, but I still always get these (incredible short) comments mad that I didn't spend two hours writing and sources my social media comments.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you always get that kind of comment, maybe you have a habit of phrasing things in an unnuanced manner

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If I tried to explain quantum mechanics to my dog, it wouldn't matter how good of a job I did.

And even if Roger Penrose or another expert spent years, they'd get the same result.

So it's just a question of how much time someone is willing to spend on a task almost guaranteed to fail.

Like going into details in the hopes every idiot online understands every part of what you said.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Of course communication is a two way street.

However it's not merely transmitting information. The manner in which one speaks, what words one chooses, attention to detail, et cetera.

If people commented on my style of driving on a regular basis, I'd say least entertain the idea that there was something about it I could improve upon.

[–] h3rm17 -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Depends where you are. If you are on Itsly or Portugal the people commenting on your driving style would probably be in the wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's a bit besides the point.

[–] h3rm17 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not really, the point being "the fact that many people share an opinion does not make that opinion correct".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Your former comment beside the point because that served as an example.

This comment is besides the point as I didn't claim that the people would be correct, but that it would serve as a reason in order to entertain the idea that three might be something could be ameliorated about the style of communicating/driving/whatever.

If a couple of people told you your breath smelled, you'd probably check, just in case, no?

[–] h3rm17 0 points 8 months ago

Oh, gotcha, you are not affirming they are wrong because many people say so, just that they should consider that as an option. OK, then.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Imagine thinking summarizing quantum mechanics to dogs is the equivalent to summarizing the Revolutionary War to Lemmy users. We're all people here, and I promise you there isn't such an intellect difference you need to dumb it down that much.

You're unfair, inaccurate, misleading, and biased in your explanation of what happened while attempting to sound authoritative, that's why you're criticized.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago

Not sure why you are getting down voted. This is pretty accurate. American history as taught in American schools is essentially indoctrination where all the bad parts are removed.

Many of the founding fathers were shitty people.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A while back some MAGoo posted about how immigrants were all criminals. Highly irate when I pointed out that 'indentured servants' were the gutter sweepings of England, and that France would forcibly make male colonists marry women imprisoned for prostitution.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To be pedantic, France offered the role as a colonist as an alternative to being locked up, on the stipulation that they take a prostitute with them as they leave.

The prisoners could have chosen to stay in jail instead.

[–] lurch 24 points 8 months ago

DOGE MEME - SUCH CHOICE - MUCH WOW

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

This we surely offend the snowflakes in red dunce caps.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

The word you're looking for is Tories. They are still alive and well in the UK.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No taxation ~~without~~!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

No. Taxation!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I appreciate the sentiment of this, but it’s not quite right, at least in my view.

The founding fathers / revolution movement had some merit, don’t get me wrong, but it was also the movement of a bunch of drunk farmers and yuppies pouring molten tar on top of tax collectors simply for the crime of being a tax collector. They were much closer to the January 6th types in that way (though obviously a direct comparison can’t be made).

Sometimes you just can’t make a 1:1 comparison between the past and the present and I’m a firm believer that 18th century politics is a huge example of that. Things are just too complex and many issues don’t neatly align with what we consider party boundaries to be today.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Honestly, those types definitely existed back then.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Now do it with the Civil war heroes, slavism and genocide.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wat

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

See, the joke is that modern conservatives would have supported the British control of the American colonies.

Which holds significant merit as during the war for independence, the most conservative families were Monarchists which insisted we return to British rule.

Several of those Monarchist families today make significant parts of the republican leadership.