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[–] sanpedropeddler 163 points 5 months ago (2 children)

By doing this they have effectively secured their survival. We will never stop growing them.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Unfortunately.

I hate mint, it's been put into WAY too much damn stuff, and is 98% of toothpaste flavors. It took me way to long to find a toothpaste that was JUST cinnamon not "Cinnamon-mint" or "minty cinnamon" or "Cinnamon with a BLAST of mint" just plain cinnamon.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago (4 children)

i don't hate mint but i really want to try cinnamon toothpaste now

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's called CloseUp, I've found it in most US grocery stores although it's usually shoved to the bottom shelf

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Thanks! I'll see if I can find it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I love mint, but cinnamon toothpaste is absolutely god-tier.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Tigers love pepper. They hate cinnamon.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Me, too. I haaaaaate mint toothpaste.

Just discovered coconut ginger toothpaste a little over a year ago. I'm sticking with this toothpaste for life.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I like mint in general but hate mint toothpaste, try children's toothpaste, it often comes without mint.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The other thing their evolution has done is make it so we can't stop it growing lol. Never ever plant that stuff in anything but a container. Maybe not even that. It spreads by wind and magic.

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[–] [email protected] 134 points 5 months ago (10 children)

Mint, peppers, and caffeine, the holy trinity of "plant defenses that did not work on humans."

[–] Voroxpete 92 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Counterpoint; those plants are now cultivated in huge numbers, thus ensuring the successful and continued propogation of their genetic legacies.

From an evolutionary perspective, those defences worked too well.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

Literally no quality will guarantee a species survival in the modern world more than being delicious to humans.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But I bet we have vastly reduced their generic diversity so if humans disappear they will have more issues to survive without us.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 5 months ago (2 children)

On the other hand, being useful to humans have made them some of the most widespread and successful plant species on the planet.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (16 children)

Being useful to humans is the single most important factor in evolutionary success rates.

Sure, there's 8 billion of us, but we collectively KILL ~~30 billion~~ 70. 70 goddamn billion chickens every year, and there's always more of those fuckers. We kill more than double the number of chickens every year than are ever currently even alive. That's how many chickens there are.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Grass: is useless

Humans: "Growing a nutritionally useless plant demonstrates that Im so wealthy I can afford to waste arable land"

Grass: is now one of the dominant species on earth

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

We made grains from grass. If you let most grasses get tall enough to seed, they look like green wheat.

Also I'm not certain, but wheat and corn may give grass a run for their money in acreage cover, if you count the wheat and corn as a single species, but count each specific grass separately.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Lol pls.

That's the r-rated version.

The true trinity is nicotine, cocaine and opiates.

And also,

"Animals are something invented by plants to move seeds around. An extremely yang solution to a peculiar problem which they faced."

— Terence McKenna

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Particularly peppers lol.

Ah, mild pain! The perfect addition to my diet.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

Cilantro: best I can do is 20%.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

Hallucinogens, nicotine, caffeine, all evolved for plant defense and all of them are used recreationally.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

THC is a heat shock defence. The fact it has such an effect on us is purely coincidental.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Yes, that is one of the possible explanations for trichomes. However, In literature there are several potential reasons for cannabis producing THC listed, some of them are:

-deterring certain insect and other herbivores -Anti-microbial effects -UV light protection

Claiming that heat shock defense is the only reason seems like a simplification, considering that scientists are still researching the matter.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 5 months ago (3 children)

"Can you make me spicy as fuck so no creatures want to eat me?"

"OK bruv flawless plan."

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Still a good joke as we're mammals, but peppers's spice is so that birds, and not mammals, eat their seeds and poop them out far away as birds aren't bothered by capsaicin.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

lending purpose to an evolutionary trait is a mistake. It is possibly that mechanism by which they attained some degree of success, but evolution doesn't 'think' unless youre into predeterminism like that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Totally. Perhaps a better way to phrase it would be, the successful result of the adaptation was that birds spread their seeds instead of mammals. Until us.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

No, lending that purpose is not a mistake, it's a tool to aid in understanding. The force of evolution is not conscious, does not think, and is governed by pretty basic rules, but what arises from those simple rules is as close as we can get to intelligent design (not the bogus religious kind) outside of a conscious designer. This similarities are so fundamental, in fact, that the chaotic process of evolution studied and refined into a set of algorithms has actually proven useful in the field of artificial intelligence. Machine learning agents can use Neuroevolution of augmenting topologies to train (essentially learn) because evolution can do the same thing our brains can by reacting to negative and positive stimulus and adjusting a strategy accordingly. The difference of course is that evolution needs a generation to make any adjustments and just tries random bullshit with no clear direction, so our brains are much more efficient and effective.

Note: NEAT works in tandem with normal training procedures and typically replaces the person who would otherwise be attempting to intelligently design the neural network architecture. You can train the weights directly using evolution (I've tried it before), but for the aforementioned reasons, it's slow as hell and doesn't work very well.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In fact, humans started cultivating mint and chili, hence it worked

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

There are billions of cows, chickens, etc. in the world. Purely by numbers, those species are incredibly successful. Yet, If not for humans finding them tasty and easy to manage, we would not have bred them to this degree and they wouldn't have reached this degree of success. Somehow, against all odds, being tasty/something we want to eat has somehow become an incredibly valuable and successful adaptation.

Evolution is absolutely wild, and this really drives home the fact that evolution isn't about the individual's likelihood of survival, but their likelihood of reproduction.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Depends on how you define success. If you look purely at population numbers, yes. However, if you look at how they live in industrial animal mass production facilities, no.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Well, now it has. But uhhh, rest in pieces to all those species that were tasty ,but too much of a hassle

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago

A highly adaptative strategy. The plan failed very successfully.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

"But little did nature know that man loves to SUFFER"

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You got some explaining to do!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Shhhh. It's ok. You have fresh breath now.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

why does it feel like i can breath better while chewing very minty gum? i mean i assume it's just an illusion but i've always wondered

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Menthol increases your mouth's sensitivity to coldness. The air you breathe in is generally cooler than your mouth, so the air moving by as you breathe is much more noticeable.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It may be some or other thing with your nose. For instance runny nose after eating spicy food is a known atypical reaction and happens a lot with people with deformed nose wall

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I swear I’ve seen this image before but without the laugh track at the bottom, and the bottom-left panel only had the top line. Brevity is etc etc

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The Life Cycle of Memes. I'm sourcing some of these from the bottom of the troth.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

MOUTH COOL!

MOUTH COOL!

[–] anticurrent 4 points 5 months ago

I guess it still works on me. that taste makes me wanna puke.

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