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[–] [email protected] 132 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

Bacteria multiply crazy fast.... as long as the food source was uninterrupted I'd almost guarantee you most people's microbiome would be fully recovered in just a few hours and they'd not even notice.

[–] [email protected] 97 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Yeah 50% loss isn't servere at all for gut biome loss. If you've ever been on antibiotics you've likely experienced that or worse.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And the big thing that fucks people up is not only the high loss but also the antibiotics slowing or stopping additional reproduction. That keeps the population depressed for an extended period and then you get the shits.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Basically they'd feel mildly bad for a few days?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Bingo, or you would, I'm a bit more sensitive so I get slightly worse symptoms. But nothing dramatic.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Our doubling time isn't that bad either. We reached 4 billion in 1970s. If we round up the current population to 8 billion that's about 50 years. That's all that thanos would add by the snap. Even less probably because we have better medicine now so it would be easier to reach that number.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How long can gut microbiomes survive after the host is dead? Wouldn't a dead host essentially mean near 100% fatality for the gut microbiome meaning that anybody killed by a Thanos snap would also mean a 100% kill rate of their gut bacteria, leaving any survivors to basically keep all 100% of their gut bacteria?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Well the implication in-universe is that the actual snap was killing 50% of all life, not any death afterwards. If we're counting bacterial life as individual living beings in this 50%, then it shouldn't matter whether the host itself got snapped or not, since the bacteria are "separate" and would be left behind after a snap....

[–] Tremble 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Does this mean that for every human that disappeared there should have been massive piles of bacteria and shit left where they were last standing

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[–] [email protected] 119 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Snapping half the life forms also snaps half of the world's gut bacteria. If we removed half of the gut bacteria from those who weren't snapped, that would be removing 75% of the universe's gut bacteria, not 50%.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not if 50% of the gut bacteria of the people who got snapped just like fell to the ground, or got stuck to that dusty shit.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Why assume that though? The Infinity Gauntlet isn't a Monkey's Paw, it reads beyond the words and answers the intent of the wielder. So much so, in fact, that it even includes subconscious thoughts and feelings as part of its interpretation. I see often these ideas predicated on the Gauntlet working on Monkey Paw logic despite that being clearly and specifically not how it operates within canon.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago

Yeah, we gotta remember the gauntlet includes the mind stone and the soul stone. Things smarter than just simply granting wishes, as you said.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, the Gauntlet wouldn't leave anything that can't survive on its own, like gut bacteria, nor remove anything that's needed for the proper functioning of another lifeform. It's why there weren't any fetuses falling to the ground after the pregnant women vanished.

I would assume that conjoined twins would be a both-or-neither situation, since removing one would leave a gaping wound in the other even if they could have survived independently with surgery,

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thanos does not believe that life begins at conception confirmed.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It kinda sidesteps the whole thing, since the standard is life that is dependent on other life to survive is not counted separately. Like the conjoined twins thing I mentioned.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean, does it erase 50% of all life, or just roughly 50%?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (4 children)

50% of what Thanos considers life since it was powered by his will. Since he seemed to imply that nature (plants and animals) where not part of this it's safe to assume it was sapient life only.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Except animals definitely were - remember endgame, Barton went into the office looked out the window to a small garden and found birds had appeared. Very indicative that the snap included animals

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

That's what the dust was.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 11 months ago (2 children)

No. The bacteria eliminated was all in the people who were dusted for convenience.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

But it's not random. Not fair. Not balanced. Entire civilizations of gut bacteria wiped out! To them it was like he wiped out entire planets instead of life forms!

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's assuming that half of the gut biomes of all humans was just left floating around. No, it's more likely that the biomes were snapped out of existence with their hosts.

[–] Imgonnatrythis 14 points 11 months ago

Whomever wrote the code for the synchronous kill must have been sweating bullets. So many ways that could go wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago (3 children)

If we're playing by those rules, then only 50% of every human would die, because we're made of smaller living organisms

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

That's simply not true by the current definition of organism.

With all the Marvel alien species it was probably true for some of them though.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So no different than most days

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I worry about you, Lemmings. Eat some fiber or something.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

I ate fiber but now my internet is down. what do I do?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So what you're saying is, the "Up the Thanos" strategy could have worked if Antman simply flew up there while Thanos was emptying his bowels due to the changes to his gut biome. The only difficulty would be swimming up the stream of liquid shit ejecting out at high speeds.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't that multiply really fast? We'd be back in like a day, maybe two.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah rapid growth. Maybe a day or two of gut trouble but back to normal pretty quick as long as your diet hasn't changed too much.

And that's possible cuz half of all livestock just vanished, so now you're paying 85 bucks for a steak.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Half the livestock and half the demand. I don't see much problem.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Yeah but you know they'd use that as an excuse to jack up the prices anyway

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I think the real problem would be ecosystem collapse.

Ecosystems evolve as complex, interdependent systems with nonlinearities. What happens when you kill off 50% of pollinators in a single instant? 50% of plankton? 50% of grasses? The problem with nonlinear systems is that killing off half of A and half of B won’t have a linear effect if the relationship depends on having minimum levels of A. Assume it’s a random function such that we kill off half of all plants and on top of that half of all rhizobium bacteria which fix nitrogen for many plant species. Now we’re killing off potentially all plants that depend on having a stable population of rhizobium bacteria, which will have a cascading effect throughout the already devastated ecosystem. It’s all about tipping points and sigmoid curves and such.

The truth is that it was a completely stupid idea, and it was what finally broke my love of the marvel franchise. Either you have runaway ecosystem collapses, or the populations will simply return back to their original levels to hit their ecological carrying capacities again. Kill off half of termites, and you’ll probably be back to the same level of termites in a decade or less. Even with people (using the word inclusively across all technological species), you’d have a population surge that within less than a century or so would be brought back to carrying capacities. Populations self-regulate via interaction with their ecosystems. You’re either going to end up with 100% extinctions or system recovery to current levels within a very brief period via normal reproduction and evolutionary dynamics.

It was a massive effort undertaken by an immortal and massively intelligent person that is inherently flawed because the marvel writers apparently never took Biology 101-102. I’m not saying it was GoT season 8 levels of bad, but after watching those last couple of movies I not only never rewatched them, but I checked out of the mcu pretty much entirely after having rewatched the previous movies multiple times each.

[–] somePotato 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The movies did a great job at presenting thanos as an extremist that sincerely wants the greater good by questionable means, but it falls apart because his grand plan is just so stupid. The only way to reconcile the sympathetic character with the dumb plan is to point out he's "THANOS THE MAD TITAN", not "THANOS THE TITAN THAT FULLY CONSIDERS THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTIONS"

Would have been much better if they just kept his original motivation from the comics: Death is a hot lady and horny thanos does the snap as a gift to her

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Unsubscribe. UNSUBSCRIBE!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

Oh and I thought Avengers was a documentary.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Could have been a monkey paw situation. "Half of all life disappeared, you say?" every living thing suddenly missing their left half "Done!"

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I'll be honest, I could use a good powerblasting every once in a while.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I felt like I needed one this morning. Instead I got the longest turd I've ever seen. It hit the water before it left my arse.

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