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Volodymyr Zelenskiy declared his personal income for the first time since the outbreak of war with Russia, as part of his effort to increase transparency in his government.

In 2021, the year before Russia invaded Ukraine, Zelenskiy and his family reported income of 10.8 million hryvnia ($285,000), down 12 million hryvnia from the previous year, even as his income was boosted by the sale of $142,000 of government bonds, according to a statement on his website.

In 2022, the first year of the Russian invasion, the Zelenskiy family’s income fell further to 3.7 million hryvnia as he earned less income from renting real estate he owned because of the hostilities.

Even as the war allowed Ukrainian officials to withhold revealing sensitive personal information, Zelenskiy pushed to make them publicly declare assets. Increasing transparency and tackling graft are necessary for his country to ensure continued financial aid from its western allies, even as more than $100 billion of funds are held up due to political maneuvering inside US and EU.

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[–] [email protected] 242 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Gotta say, that's an almost aggressively reasonable salary for running an entire country,

I'd consider myself pretty well taken care of for that level of pay.

[–] [email protected] 102 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Don't forget, he was a very well known actor and comedian before.

[–] [email protected] 142 points 10 months ago (5 children)

This is what still blows me away.

A fucking actor is doing a better job running a country specifically during wartime than a typical politician.

It's fuckin embarrassing to every single person on this planet who's dealing with stupid/corrupt/inept politicians who would sell their constituents for fuckin toilet paper.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Calling him just an actor is sort of unfair to him though. He was basically Ukraine's Jon Stewart. He does a great job as a politician because he spent years satirizing them, so he knows how the sausage is made and he knows how they totally fuck up and how to avoid it. That's why he's so successful at his job.

And, I imagine, if Jon Stewart ever ran for office, he would do similarly well.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

imagine, if Jon Stewart ever ran for office

Please, I can only get so erect. I'd tune in 24/7. With popcorn.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Tbf, the US tried the actor president twice, and they turned out to be the two worst presidents in modern US history, so it might not always be the best idea to elect the "outsider".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Reagan and Trump. The former was a b-list actor before becoming governor and then president and the latter played a successful businessman in the fictional series "The Apprentice".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (20 children)

It's so ironic that California and New York, two beacons of progressivism have us those two turds.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Trump and Reagan

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I think the Ukrainian public decided to throw a curveball that Putin and the KGB could never predict - electing an absolute outsider who the KGB didn’t have time to corrupt

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Zelensky's campaign was supported by a Ukrainian oligarch. Not exactly an "absolute outsider". In fact, during the campaign the supporters of Poroshenko (who tend to be more nationalists) used this as ground to accuse him of being associated with Russia (among other things).

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You know what? I still argues it's a great idea to pay government positions well. Let there be no need for bribes or underhanded deals. You want them to also be able to take care of themselves for the stress and it should be something that people want to achieve because of what a good job it is then prove they are right for it so that there is a pool of smart people willing to do it rather than a job managing HR for Facebook cause it pays better.

But maybe I just like the idea of a country that takes care to make sure they are taking care of people.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In theory the idea is great. Unfortunately in reality people in those positions are fucking greedy and will throw citizens under the bus to get a few extra bucks. In South Africa we see the ruling party ANC politicians who earn decent money but they still can't keep their fucking greasy hands out of the cookie jar. It's pretty fucking disgusting since their is still so much poverty in the country but they will rather steal to enrich themselves.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In the US too, senators get paid ~190k/year and continually throw their constituents under the bus for campaign contributions of just a few hundred to a few thousand dollars from lobbyists

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Agreed. We should (in the US) pay really high salaries to government officials, especially executive office/legislators/judges. Provide huge benefits like paid education and lifetime medical coverage for children and spouses (even if you retire), and a one time home purchase up to a certain amount in any location on retirement. It's yours and if you sell it, the income is yours too. Pension equivalent to salary, which is raised whenever it's increased for active government officials, and continues for your spouse after you die.

But in return, you and your spouse must fully divest yourself of any investments of any kind. You must sell any properties you own beyond a home in your constituent state. A home in DC will be provided, if applicable. Your spouse also may not have investments or own properties. Your adult children may have investments if they're managed by a blind trust.

After you retire, or "age out" at the current full social security age, or at the end of your assigned term after reaching that age, you may not ever hold another job ever again. You may not receive income in any form other than what is paid to you by the pension fund. You (and your spouse) may not own investments of any kind.

Don't like it? Cool, don't run for office.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

lol honestly my middle manager boss makes more than him while he’s running one of the most stressful jobs in the world.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'd cap every civil servant income to 5 median salaries. If that's too not enough, run your country better.

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[–] Scubus 207 points 10 months ago (19 children)

Bruh everything about zelenksy is fucking incredible. What a guy

[–] [email protected] 50 points 10 months ago (8 children)

I think we’re gonna learn some things about him after this war is over that we won’t like. He’s doing great as a war time president, but no one is this squeaky clean.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 10 months ago (1 children)

…and that is okay. He is still doing an incredible job and is an incredible public figure.

Nobody is perfect, nor do they have to be.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more.

I just see a lot of people putting him on a pedestal that are probably gonna be let down some day.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

True.

For example Churchill: great wartime PM, but also very much an anti-worker free market believing imperialist who actively fought against both independence for and immigration from the British colonies. People tend to only remember the first part, though.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

My dad, who was a socialist until the day he died, told me proudly about how he booed Churchill when Churchill came to visit his high school after the war, but when he was still PM. He was Jewish, so he appreciated Churchill's war leadership that kept the Nazis from invading, but otherwise thought he was a shit leader.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah we are? Most normal people don't have huge skeletons in their closet.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

But almost everyone has at least one skeleton.

[–] Blackhole 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't have any...? Most people don't I would think.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I agree regarding closet, but I believe most people have a skeleton inside their meatbag.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Here's his approval rating over time that reflects this point perfectly. He's supported in his actions during the war way more than he was as a politician, he was actually doing pretty badly before the war in his approvals. Interested to see how the prolonged conflict affects this, and what the regional differences are.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Zelenskiy for World President

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago

I hope they make statues of him like they did with all those bygone fellas that did something great

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

I've been disturbed to see an increasing number of purple parroting character assassination points about Zelenskiy.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago (13 children)

He deserves every damn penny of it, and more.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I swear, I've been seeing so many different spellings of his last name lately. I've seen -sky, -skyy, -skey, and now -skiy. I wonder why different outlets seem to be using different spellings.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

His actual name is written in Cyrillic so the latinized versions are all just ways of trying to write a bunch of latin letters that roughly correspond to how his name is pronounced. That’s going to be quite different across languages that use the latin alphabet, even across different accents in the same language.

If you were to write a word like 🚽 the way it actually sounds, would it be toy-let (canadian), tuy-leht, (if you’re from parts of britain) tay-let (if you’re australian), tee-let (new zealand)….?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago

Ey mate, shitters clogged

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Very much this.

The suffix at the end of that last name is also causing some trouble:

  • In Ukrainian, it's Зеленський (note the "ь", a silent letter supposed to soften the consonant before itself)
  • In Russian, it's Зеленский (no "ь", the "н" is not soft)
  • In Polish, it's Zełenski (no "й" or anything similar, resulting in a different pronunciation again)

Now compare it to the last name of a Polish author: Сапковський (Ukrainian), Сапковский (Russian), Sapkowski (Polish).

Ukrainians, Russians, and Poles all have examples of last names like these, but the rules of our languages dictate that we handle them differently, even in terms of spelling and pronunciation; for people not speaking a Slavic language naturally, it understandably is a nightmare, as neither spelling is objectively the right one in terms of linguistics.

For now, it's probably best to either go with one of the following:

  • Zelensky or Zelenski, akin to Polish equivalent spelling of similar last names
  • Zelenskyy, as seems to be the more or less official or judicial spelling of this Ukrainian last name

As messy as it seems, I believe it's going to stay the same. Romanization of the Russian language is already an equally messy phenomenon despite multiple efforts to standardize the process, yet it only resulted in several ways of tackling the difficult cases, which is of very little help; Ukrainian seems to be an even more complicated case for romanization as it has some features that would either require intricate rules to create accurate spellings, or make greater use of diacritics.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I'm Australian and we don't pronounce it "tay-let"

That sounds like someone trying to badly imitate Australian accents but having the pronunciation very wrong

I don't know how you managed to butcher it so badly

All my life I have pronounced it "toy-let" and I grew up in Australia

"tay-let" sounds like some weird portmanteau with "taylor" and "let"

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I thought this thumbnail was showing his legs behind his ears lmao

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