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Can someone please calmly explain how blocking a freeway across an ocean and a country on a different continent, is supposed to have any effect on a political issue in the middle east?

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The idea is of course to bring attention to the fact that the US is funding Israel and giving them weapons. We also have some pull in the world and if we wanted to make it a thing, we could no doubt get all support for them in the area put on hold until they turned their shit around and stopped shooting/bombing anyone not in an IDF uniform.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Some pull? The US is funding this war. Israel is getting so much in free money from your taxes it should make you sick to your stomach

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I said some pull because the UK and others would still need to get on board to do a blanket "cease-fire if you want aid" type statement. The US alone would only be a bump for them, but since they already have weapons they have bought from us for years, and aid coming in from other countries it would mean they wouldn't need to pay any attention right away.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Choking out the sugar daddy money would be a massive swing for their budget that they could not afford. We give them a disgustingly disproportionate amount of aid money.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

We also have some pull in the world

Which is currently being used to defend Israel. Can't forget that part.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Because the US has a massive hand in that political issue in the middle east.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well they are funding it with those protestors' tax dollars

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If I was American I would also be livid, like what the fuck are you guys doing

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I mean, our tax dollars regularly go to heinous shit. Just the fact that like 50% of the US budget for living memory goes to the military means that you're already starting deeply in the moral red.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

Also the even more direct fact that Israel exists primarily to provide the US control over middle eastern oil. It's an air base and port and provides air space through which to it can attack countries in the region. The constant war carried out by Israel against neighbors and within it's own border destabalizes the region, making it easier to maintain US supported authoritarians.

Making life harder for people in cars is actually direct action against one of the root causes of the genocide. If you are in a car, you are complicit in genocide.

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[–] ZombiFrancis 35 points 11 months ago (2 children)

A lot of what these protests are trying to do is make it harder to ignore the reality of what is happening.

Now I agree these kind of protests don't gain support. But they're not trying to win support: they're trying to make people aware of the problem as one that shosuldn't be ignored.

The gamble is the cause is important enough and sympathetic enough that forcing people to be aware of it might get people towards political action. Even if it is just calling their representstive and going 'wtf'.

For Americans every dollar we earn at work and every cent of tax we pay is a contributing factor in the conflict. But many are aware and think that is just fine. That is my personal concern with this protest: a lot of Americans are completely stoked about it and protesting just makes them shrug and go 'purple hairs lol'.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But like, what the hell am I supposed to do? I vote. Especially in Seattle, it’s so easy to vote. We get ballots by mail, and we’re pretty liberal. We the people can only write to our representatives for change, but these representatives are the ones who are actively in favor of what they’re protesting for.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

One could argue that blocking a freeway causes some negative economic impact. There are a number of US defense contractors who are profiting nicely from Israel’s recent military mobilization. This could be a message to the military industrial complex that “we the people” can grind things to a halt if we need to.

Personally I’m not a fan of blocking freeways as a form of protest, there’s just too much risk of affecting something time sensitive like an ambulance, organ transplant, etc. But I also empathize with the protestors, they probably feel strongly (as do I) that the violence needs to stop, and they feel helpless. There’s a lot of drive to make things right, and no real way to do that other than making a statement.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I see this argument every time a protest is held.

Can you name the number of times an emergency vehicle like an ambulance was blocked with a negative consequence from a blockade protest and divide it by the number of times such protests have occurred in the US?

I want to know what your threshold of “too much risk” means in terms of empirical data.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I think the fact that highway blockages are viewed so divisively only points to how effective they are. They have economic impact and are hugely visible -- I think they're one of the most effective non-violent direct action tactics available, though the participants should prepare to have the book thrown at them.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Oh, and then compare that to regular traffic!

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (16 children)

FWIW, this is one of the most common forms of protest in Seattle since BLM. It’s not necessarily newsworthy to us locals! And yes, to confirm, most people in the city get pretty annoyed with protestors when it happens. A lot of people late to work, missing medical appointments, stranded with kids in the car, etc.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Hey guys, another local checking in to say protest is cool and effective protest is even cooler!

You might even say that people being late to work is exactly the economic impact that such a protest is designed to create.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I have a private theory that the establishment likes to put ideas in people's heads about methods of protest that are guaranteed to turn people against the cause that's being advocated for. For some reason, it works, and protest groups adopt these methods.

Blocking highways is one of these; throwing paint on famous art is another.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (8 children)

The art was behind glass, which the protestors knew beforehand, which was why they chose to throw paint on it.

It was completely undamaged, and only children and idiots think its a reason to not support a cause. Which of those 2 are you?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

People just abandoned their cars on the highway and walked away. They knew it was going to take all day and they had places to be. :P

Some people were confused and thought it was a Syrian protest too, not sure the message got through, haha.

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[–] Varyk 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You know when you're angry about pollution and you have orange paint and you throw the paint on unrelated centuries-old artwork in a different country than the main emitters of pollution?

That's the parallel here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Totally fair that people are protesting to try and bring awareness so that hopefully our government can get on board with a ceasefire. In the end, both sides of Israelis and Palestinians both are in a losing war. From my perspective, I see countless innocent Palestinians who might not be directly linked to Hamas having to deal with the horrors of war and then the Israeli side really aren't doing themselves justice with the whole thing of bombing hospitals. Even if Hamas may or may not have been using them as base of operations it's still a war crime in my book.

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