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Leading energy companies are intent on pushing the world in the opposite direction, expanding fossil fuel production and insisting that there is no alternative. It is evidence that they are motivated not by record warming, but by record profits, experts say.

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 year ago (9 children)

expanding fossil fuel production and insisting that there is no alternative.

No alternative? No fucking alternative? Like... We're talking about extinction level scenarios and they're like "yeah, okay, we're all going to die, but I don't think your suggested alternatives to that are viable"

Like, don't they see that their profits ultimately depend on humanity existing to consume their products? What the fuck is wrong with them? Who do they think will bail them out when the planet is too fucking hot to live on?

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They hope or think they will be dead long before that happens and fuck future generations they are sociopaths.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Companies like Exxon literally buy up green technology that could have huge, net-positive, impacts in the climate resiliency sphere/in combating climate change because they don't want the competition. The sheer audacity of this bald-faced fucking lie. What is the point of money on a dead planet, morons?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why are these greener companies selling to them?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, no shit. Hadn't thought of that.

Imagine spending all the time and effort just to be bought out by a big terrible monster they have all been claiming were bad. Enjoy the clams.

[–] Meowoem 2 points 1 year ago

They don't know they're getting brought out to be destroyed, it's the same way Microsoft used to operate 'oh this tech is amazing we'll invest and help bring it to the masses!' closely followed by 'ok now you signed it over pack it all up into the incinerator...'

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Why are these greener companies selling to them?

Often because they don't have the capital to roll out their technology and need to go to the market for investment.

But then the investment market fucks them.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like, don’t they see that their profits ultimately depend on humanity existing to consume their products?

Well, that's a problem for the next quarter. Right now we have to push those sales.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Profits now think later. Duh

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rich don't give a rats ass about any plebs. They know humanity is doomed. They will live their "best" life possible in resorts or on yachts, etc....until end of times.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If all of the oil companies comply, all is gonna be well. If only one of them doesnt, things are gonna end up well as well. If only two dont, its probably still gonna be good. If three.....

They just all wanna be that "one company that doesnt comply", so they all dont comply.

There is a known experiment about 100 students being given a choice before a test - choose A and you gain 2 extra points. Choose B and you gain 6 extra points. However, if more than 30% of the students choose B, no one gains anything. From what i checked, in every iteration of this experiment, no one gained anything in the end. Thats just human nature.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Similarly, the Prisoner's Dilemma.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I'd go so far as to say if the alternative is extinction, absolutely no action, no matter how drastic and no matter the collateral damage, is unjustified as long as it works.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember, folks, it’s only “socialism” when we talk about sharing profits among the people. Sharing blame and responsibility is perfectly okay!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man you couldn't of said it any better.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yes could've. You got me.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

I’m surprised it took this long

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

“They (Oil companies) have left no doubt that their pledges were deployed for cynical political purposes, only to be ditched when they no longer suited the industry’s strategic position,”

That strategic position was to avoid being governed, said Timmons Roberts, professor of environment and sociology at Brown University.

“The climate commitments … were almost certainly made to give the impression that they don’t need to be regulated because their voluntary pledges are adequate,”

You know, I'm kinda tired of every article about oil companies being either something straight out of police reports or just being the same "No shit, Sherlock" about them being evil, lying, manipulative and greedy assholes. I'd love to see them being fined some 50 billion dollars, but I feel they'd manage to overturn that anyway. Justice and police exist to protect property.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

justice and police exist to protect the rich

Ftfy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

media, justice and police exist to protect the rich

FTFTFY

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

If they were fined for fifty billions, they'd argue until they settled for two hundred millions and it would be hailed as a leap forward for justice. :-/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The problem with fining industry is that industry isn't sentient. It's the C-levels and management types that need to be seriously punished for pursuing profits over human lives. As long as we don't do that, nothing is going to change. If you fine Shell 50 billion dollars, nothing substantial changes for the higher ups. Even if these guys would stop making money all together, it would just mean they would have to stop spending so much god damned money and just live of of the millions they've already made.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

I love the movie V for Vendetta.

Just throwing that out there.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who could’ve seen this coming! /s

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if they will see me coming.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Do you come often?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Gooood movie.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

We knew and yet it's still so infuriating

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Warmer climate, more AC, more need for natural gas and petroleum product powered energy production.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

They'll never do anything good as long as they still make money. That's what needs to change.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Capitalism will surely save us though.

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