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[–] [email protected] 114 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Remember kids, the church still continues to shuffle pedo priests and is still telling victims to eat shit. The Catholic Church is a corporation, and they only care about money and power, no matter how much their current PR pope spews hollow platitudes, without actually fixing anything.

Empty words from a fake "holy" leader who was elected by a board room of bankers and financiers.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Religion is the world's oldest scam.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They're much more powerful than a corporation, though. Can you imagine any ordinary corporation surviving a child molestation scandal like that?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Hollywood has entered the chat

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Yup.

Do not trust anyone you love to be alone with a Catholic.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 10 months ago (1 children)

She was right to rip up a picture of the pope.

But I think she was wrong to convert to Islam if her priorities were denial of religious tyranny.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Her issue was all the child rape.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago (1 children)

She must not know a lot about Islam then.

[–] BakedGoods 3 points 10 months ago

Not sure why you're downvoted since the fucking Qur'an says Muhammed raped children.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Just realizing this now? The church scandals broke wide open 20 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 10 months ago (4 children)

We were telling dirty jokes about priests and alter boys when I was a kid in the 80s. It was well known and rampant 20 years BEFORE 20 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Jeff Dunham even did a joke with Achmed the dead terrorist.

"I like to throw a penny between two Jews and watch them fight to the death. I also do the same with Catholic priests but instead I throw a small boy! The winner has to fight Michael Jackson!"

[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Hate that Jeff Dunham idiot. Being straight up racist with a puppet is not comedy, no matter how much your racist uncle laughs at his "jokes"

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Hey I get that I was just using it as an example of priests always having been this way.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah as a kid in the 70s, it was a known trope. Benny Hill and Monty Python even alluded to it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Long before the '70s. The British arms manufacturing companies Vickers and Armstrong Whitworth merged in the late 1920s to become Vickers-Armstrongs Limited. Employees of the former Armstrong Whitworth were not happy about the merger and joked about being like choirboys - because they were being buggered by Vickers (i.e. "buggered by vicars").

[–] Heliumfart 5 points 10 months ago

Somewhere in Rousseau's "Confessions" there's a bunch about him becoming disillusioned by the church as a child because of sexual abuse, and the head priest tells him "that's how it's always been". That was written in 1769!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

It had another run in the news following her death last summer.

There's nothing wrong with people TIL today, because she was right then and still is.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago

Ripping up an image never makes anyone a bad person, religious figure or not.

Sure, I may prefer the tearing sound that images of Mohammed being ripped apart make... But that's just subjective personal preference. Doesn't mean people tearing up an image of the Virgin Mary are bad people. The important thing is neither does anything real to cause harm to anyone at all.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Just a reminder that she didn't actually explain why she was tearing up a picture of the Pope, she just pulled out a picture of him and tore it up without context. Nobody understood wtf was happening.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, there is a lot of revisionist history about this. This was well before the sex abuse story came out. The idea that that’s what she was protesting was lost on everyone.

John Paul II had an attempted assassination a decade before this (where he literally met with his attempted assassin to offer forgiveness), and was also leading efforts to apologize for past church participation in things like the holocaust, the slave trade, oppressing women, and even executing Galileo.

This is not to defend him. He absolutely ignored sex abuse and deserves hate, but when O’Connor did that, he was immensely popular. Tearing up his picture while singing Bob Marley’s War (a song about racism and inequality) was just a protest of which the purpose of which no viewer could figure out. She merely said “fight the real enemy” and didn’t reveal any additional reasoning until she sat for an interview a month later.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Personal negative dealings with the Catholic Church

From a contemporary article:

O'Connor, in a statement Thursday in London, reiterated her objections to the church, which she holds responsible for the child abuse she suffered.

The Vatican uses “marriage, divorce and in particular birth control and abortion to control us through our children and through fear,” she said.

So, even then, it is less specific than us commonly credited todays it was not about covering up child sex abuse.

https://books.google.com/books?id=IalJAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA114#v=onepage&q&f=false

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

She's been in a Magdalene Laundry in her youth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_asylum

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

At the time? Practically everybody. She got absolutely slaughtered in the media, and it went on for years.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not sure doubt is the right word here, they knew.

[–] MartinXYZ 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's the same with Jimmy Saville, everybody knew. I remember chatting on a forum in a thread about celebrities who are absolute assholes. I'm not from the UK, so I didn't know him before somebody in that thread told us about this lady from his little town who was given a small book store by Saville, alledgedly because he had abused her when she was a girl, and threatened to go public. Granted, Sinnead O'Connor took it to another level. And Joe Pesci showed his true colors. What an asshole.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The whole Jimmy saville thing was insane, he had the keys to mental hospitals. The BBC chauffeured him about, very much like they picked up schoolgirls from school for Russell brand to be brought back to his flat.

Saville was great friends with the royals and thatchers government, you'd think the secret services would have known what he was up to... Thatchers home secretary Leon Britton was accused around the same time a lot of others were found out, but Theresa May's government shut that down.

Reading this back, I'm thinking I can't post this it's sounds nuts. Maybe that's how these fuckers get away with it...

Hadn't heard about Pesci, probably playing on his Italian gangster fame, what a twat.

[–] MartinXYZ 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

very much like they picked up schoolgirls from school for Russell brand to be brought back to his flat.

Is this what happened with Russell Brand? I just heard he was a sexual predator, not that it was schoolgirls. It's insane that the BBC didn't get any wiser after Saville. It should be easy: don't hire known pervs and definitely don't let them use your stuff to abuse children.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wait, what did Joe Pesci do?

[–] MartinXYZ 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

He said he wanted to give her a good smacking or something. And he hasn't apologized yet as far as I know.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Late to this party, but I was in college and saw it happen when it aired. My reaction to it was, "Whoa!" though it didn't really hit me as anything more since I wasn't Catholic.

I did not see the aftermath coming. It was like she just instantly disappeared.

Thirty years later, she seems like the trailblazer for getting one's life ruined from retribution for daring to call out shitty behavior of powerful people and entities.

[–] MartinXYZ 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Around this time Nirvana drew a lot of attention for mocking Top of the Pops by miming hilariously badly to Smells like teen spirit on air. It was a more innocent time. Ripping up a pic of the pope was wild.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's taken her dying for a lot of people to realise the absolute gem of a person she really was. RIP Sinead. We've lost 3 Irish musical gems this year.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

For me, outrage at tearing an image implies the subject is beyond reproach and that concept itself is extremely concerning / problematic.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Cool People Who Did Cool Stuft did a really good episode on her. Her story is so much more interesting than you would think.

https://pca.st/episode/c9f81d0b-bcc8-407a-bead-2d68547804f1

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for sharing this. I'd never heard of this program. Good counterbalance to Behind the Bastards

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Sophie the producer was so tired of hearing about terrible people that she got Magpie to make this show. It is really good. But it is still pretty depressing because the majority of cool people die horribly.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Just some nice numbers here XD

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Did it really take you this long to get that?

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