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"Look, Russia will stop fighting if Ukraine just gives up the two 'contested' provinces."
"Okay, Ukraine gave them up, but Russia now says it only wants these three more."
"Look, Russia is being very reasonable. They will stop all the fighting and even allow Ukraine to join NATO if they just get these five provinces."
"Ukraine is just a tiny country now. They might as well submit to Russian rule."
"Russia just wants this one tiny province in Poland. Is that really worth starting WW3 over?!!!"
"France needs to accept that American Colonies will 'cede some territory' to Great Britain" Nobody could ever overpower the British Navy.
"We just need to accept that the Sovjet Union will cede some territory to Nazi Germany, the Wehrmacht just can't be overpowered."
"We should just let Japan have Hawaii. What more could they do?"
"Taiwan belonged to them anyway. Let China (PRC) have it."
Whatever happened to the Roman Empire? Mesopotamia could use some aqueducts.
Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) said Sunday that the United States needs to accept that Ukraine will likely need to “cede some territory” to Russia to end the fighting.
The problem is that if you reward Putin for his efforts, you only empower him and dictators like China and Iran. China will go after Taiwan, and Iran will go after Syria.
Because after all, they don't have to beat the US military, or even war exhaustion from the people. He just has to outlast the greed of the American Senators.
Which compared to the 800 billion we spend on the military, or the $300,000 you can bribe a senator. It would seem that Russia has chosen the more economic approach.
Not to mention that public opinion in Russia is changing too...we had the advantage long term. We have half of the world's resources not to say even more...
No we fucking don’t. If putin gets anything he wanted he’ll do it again
Putin has arguably already had a large chunk of what he wanted since 2014. There's been so much time to not only reinforce Crimea and Donbas militarily, but also to change the population makeup by moving in thousands of Russian families.
I hate Putin as much as the next rational human being, but even a pro-Ukraine perspective has to reconcile with the fact that some of these formerly Ukrainian lands are now populated by a large majority in favour of being part of Russia. Even if Ukraine could gain full military control over these areas, it wouldn't magically get rid of the separatists.
The killing would stop if Russia simply withdrew. But the Republicans never mention that as an option. Funny that.
Article 5 is just a suggestion
“Bullies get what they want and there’s nothing we can do about it”
"We like bullies because we want to be like them"
Look! A republican waving the flag of surrender. What a fucking coward. He's not from my state and I'm still embarrassed that he is in Congress.
Hey Vance... STFU you weak spined russian apologist...
He picked up a message on his morning jog at the usual dead drop. It said “announce that Ukraine will need to cede some territory to Russia”
They don't need a dead drop. Republicans just collaborate with facist authoritarians way out in the open. Their base either doesn't care, makes excuses for them, or actively root for a christofacist dictatorship to take over and destroy democracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/10/hungary-viktor-orban-republicans-ukraine-aid
He wasn't a senator at the time so JD Vance wasn't on the infamous republican 4th of July trip to meet with putin.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/395719-gop-senators-visited-moscow-on-july-4/
Oh but what's this? His companies helping to spread Russian propaganda? Wow, it's always the ones you most suspect.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/31/us/politics/jd-vance-peter-thiel-rumble.html
Worthless republican traitor.
Your words are reduntant. You may as well add "stupid" if we're putting in things already implied with "republican".
And by "some territory," he means "everything between Russia and Poland."
What a spineless traitor to humanity.
He’s a Republican. But I repeat you.
We accepted it in 2014, when Russia took Crimea, hoping that would satiate their dreams of the Soviet Empire and here we are nearly 10 years later. The Russian government does not act in good faith, and if we don't crush their capability to wage war we'll see them try to take the rest of Ukraine and beyond.
These guys may as well be the modern day equivalent of Neville Chamberlain.
The one sure way to end the fighting is to fund Ukraine's defense. When the right defunded Ukraine's defense, they didn't do it to promote peace, they did it to advance the interests of their allies (that is, Putin).
The reality of 'ending the fighting' is going to mean the violence will continue in the territory Russia controls, even after the 'hostilities' as such are ended. When Russia gains some territory, the russification of that territory involves punishing the people there for not having surrendered more quickly, liquidating institutions of local culture and replacing them with Russian ones, the separation of families, the internal displacement of locals on trips to the far east that many won't survive, the 'political reeducation' camps, etc.
When US politicians try to pass off enabling a certain genocide as an 'end to hostilities' or in anodyne terms like 'cede some territory', don't let them do it. They're not acquiescing to the inevitable, they're actively partnering in genocide.
Thanks Neville Chamberlain!
"Chaps, anyone with a name like Hitler can't be all bad. What do you say we give him another chance?"
Neville Chamberlain has been reappraised by historians, based on later released evidence, who argue he made that decision in part based on expert military advise and political considerations.
They knew that war was almost inevitable, but appeasement gave them time to build domestic political and public support, and prepare for a while longer. For example, this arguably allowed them to gain air supremacy:
So this guy's worse than Chamberlain. He wants to engage in appeasement, reward a dictator for agression, help a Chinese and Iranian ally, without any real strategic benefit to the US.
United States needs to accept that Republicans work for Russia now.
Democrats know and are mad about it. Republicans know and are happy about it. 🤷♂️
Nah, not an inch. Fucking Republicans.
Go live in Russia then you dumb fuck. People here should start throwing you out if windows.
When did the right go commie?
Never they just understand that putin is a capitalist dictator and that’s what they’ve always respected
They didn’t go commie… they’ve gone authoritarian….
At the extreme ends of the political spectrum, there is little difference…
Nah, horshoe theory conveniently forgets that there are two other corners on that map. There are extremists of all flavors.
What you speak of is ONLY authoritarians. There have been "left" authoritarians, but every action of an authlritarian is a step away from being actually left. You cannot promote freedom while taking choice away without being a massive hypocrite. Spoilers: China, the USSR, etc, etc... They were/are all MASSIVE hypocrites.
A massive movement to violently effect political reform is VERY difficult for normies to parse through. Authoritarians and saviors, the difference is in whos words you believe. There are many gullible people. Even well-intentioned and planned coups have basically all resulted in more or different authority, not less.
The traitor party, rePutincans, want to give russia some money, power, and oil? No shit?
Well, we’ll see what Moscow Mitch has to say about that! Oh wait.
Oh and fuck republiQans, fuck russia, and fuck the mushmouth corporate news who can’t find the wherewithal to pronounce an insurrectionist fraudster rapist as an insurrectionist fraudster rapist because WHY USE THE RIGHT WORDS when we can serve their republiQan owner/masters by pretending both sides bad? FUCK.
As an Ohioan, I apologize for my state unleashing this feckless sycophant on the national political discourse. Unfortunately, our Democratic challenger was less exciting than a bowl of tapioca.
Putin says that the US needs to accept that it will cede some territory back to Mexico; the states of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and southern California, should not cause any issues to the northern states as …..
I don't understand why the GOP is okay with strengthening the Kremlin, who identifies as our adversary, by allowing them to steal valuable economic land that has major strategic geopolitical ties. They were always supposed to be the strength and might party... And Russia is clearly not that mighty so why is that the ship they want to jump to?
How much dirt does Putin have on Vance? Apparently a lot.
Ah yes JD Vance aka Donald Trumps cock holster.
Call J. D. Vance-worth... 877-FASC-NOW.
This is what happens when countries rely on the US for foreign aid. We are unreliable.
Other countries need to increase their own funding if we are dropping the ball. We are not the only nation in the world.
Up front, I broadly support almost any aid short of NBC weapons to Ukraine. Territorial exchange by invasion needs to be non-negotiable, and Ukraine should be the one who decides if/when they’ve had enough war, not us or Russia
JD Vance is reprehensible and talking out of both sides, but there’s some truth to this idea. If you look back at the deeper history of Ukraine, the Donbas wasn’t a part of Ukraine under Kievan Russ or the precursor dynasty. The area is very ethnically Russian & Russophone (absolutely artificially boosted by prior pseudo-genicidal policy of Russification, as also in Poland) and if you look at the census data, the electoral history, and where the separatists draw recruits from, it’s very split east/south-east of the Dnipro river.
If the government in Kyiv (rightfully) refuses to give territory and end to the war, they are only left with Russian capitulation or a NK/SK style permanent standoff over their own DMZ. The survey data indicates the Ukranian people are willing to go all the way to Crimea, which is mirrored by Kyiv policy, but viable is that for Ukraine militarily? Frontline progress is steady but slow, and Ukraine shares a lot of the skewed age demographics with Russia that make a long term war difficult on manpower alone.