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[–] DumbAceDragon 304 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Steve Jobs was the Elon Musk of his time, he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Steve Jobs did at least actually do things. Musk just buys things and claims he did them.

[–] [email protected] 174 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Nah Jobs didn't do anything himself. From Wozniaks first computer up to the multitouch display for the iPhone, all of these things were just bought/stolen/copied. Jobs just knew how to put these technologies into something that would sell.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (15 children)

So elon but a good businessman

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago
[–] funkless_eck 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

without the good, or the (hu)man(ity)

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There's no version of this reality where Jobs isn't a good businessman. You might not like the company or their products, but they've somehow managed to build a huge and successful business selling those overpriced toys to tons of people. They managed to create a cult around expensive consumer electronics. That is a massive success no matter how you slice it. And you can't deny that Jobs played a big part in that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The weird thing is that Apple without Jobs was a failure, but also Jobs without Apple was also a failure.

[–] funkless_eck 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it was just a gag for comic effect. it wasn't the breadth and depth of my thoughts and feelings of the digital and manufacturing epochs since the 1980s.

But also, it was kind of begging the question of "is there such thing as a good business man?"

There's good for /their/ business. But is that- in general - good?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Does the current head of Larian Studios count as a businessman? If so, that's one I would consider good for the company AND the consumers

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Also you can tie it directly to Jobs, because when he was gone for a bit, apple fuckin tanked, and then he came back and they came out with the iPod.

That's not an accident.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Just like how Elon did not design his rockets, SpaceX engineers did, Steve did not design the iPhone, Apple engineers did.

Also everyone seems to conveniently forget about the factory workers actually building them.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jobs insisted on removing the keypad from a smartphone. He didn't make the multitouch display, but he did force app developers to take it seriously.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The iPhone didn't originally have apps other than basic ones that shipped with the phone, like Safari, YouTube, calculator, etc...

People hacked the first gen to run things like an NES emulator. Apple promptly shut that down and introduced the app store.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't hate Jobs for that, but I despise almost every other fucking company panicking in order to copy that shit. Blackberry keyboards were great stuff in the early 2010s.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like he had a part in the first apple. Wozniac did the work but Jobs sold it. Selling and marketing are not easy and a different skill set. I'd be curious what Wozniac has to say about it though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Not only Jobs managed to sell, he managed to sell way above cost. Apple became synonymous with premium features, even when it was clearly lagging behind the competition in terms of raw power (late 80's) or offering sub par experiences.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He invented the rounded rectangle, all hail

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There's also the flat mouse

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jobs insisted on selling a touchscreen-only smartphone. Turns out, he was right on that one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But like, he didn't design or build it himself. His company did.

So by that logic he's still the same as Musk, who insisted on a mass-market EV car or reusable rockets.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

His company did.

It wasn't even his company, they stole the concept from another company. The home button also wasn't an apple original. The "sum of the parts" was the "original" thing

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He was also right about not supporting Flash on the iPhone. People wanted to crucify him for that, but better video and web standards came about because of it, and we're all better off living in a world without Flash.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

He was a world-class jump-ropesman, for one

[–] porkins 2 points 11 months ago

This sells Musk short. He is making smart entrepreneurial decisions for the most part. I hate the monkey testing controversy though.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Woah; that's just so wildly inaccurate; I have no idea what to even say.
Are you really saying Jobs was a transphobic right-wing extremist whose father got super rich and helped him to just buy into uprising companies without really doing anything by himself?

[–] ryathal 61 points 1 year ago (8 children)

He did father a child he denied to the day he died, intentionally screwed Woz out of his fair share of the apple fortune, killed himself by treating cancer with quackery. Jobs is probably more self made, but that's about it.

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[–] DumbAceDragon 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's true, he was not nearly as bad as Musk. I was mainly talking about how he's a general asshole who steals from others and is revered by techbros. I was maybe being a bit hyperbolic in my comparison.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

did he ever reconcile with his kid? hard to imagine just ignoring your own child like that...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Who, Elon or Steve? /s

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was

Oh he died soon enough.