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Poorest 75 nations face ‘tidal wave’ of debt repayments to China in 2025, study warns
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Do the Uyghurs not count?
They certainly do. China is straight up a police state, and what they're doing to the Uyghurs is ghastly and draconian. I hate it and I think it's really backwards, but there's little evidence I've seen that actually meets the qualifications for genocide. Unlike what our best buddies in the whole wide world are doing in Gaza and the West Bank. What's more is that it turns out we're also a police state, and that the IMF promotes instability and oppression via austerity measures. So, pick your poison, I guess.
Lets start with: What is your definition of genocide?
So, that would be working towards the eradication of a people. There's various ways to get there, forced sterilization (which we did with native Americans), outright slaughter or famine (which we did with native Americans), forced removal campaigns (spoiler alert), and, of course, the eradication of cultural identity (like the boarding schools for native Americans).
AFAICT, the evidence for what's happening in Xinjiang is mostly around re-education camps, which could arguably qualify on the fourth criterion, but we don't really have any reliable details on it because authoritarian governments generally don't share their secret squirrel bullshit publicly. Also, people get sent to prison hella easy and locals generally aren't free to walk around unaccompanied. That's all batshit insane police state shit that Trump would implement today if he thought he could get away with it, but it's not Genocide. To my understanding, there is no evidence to support the idea that Uyghurs are being slaughtered in masse or that there is any kind of effort to depopulate them. And there's certainly nothing like we're seeing in Gaza, I seriously doubt even China could hide something like that.
I'm glad to see we agree on the definition of genocide to include intentional destruction of the culture.
I'm not sure you've looked very hard at the "destruction of culture" aspects China is imposing. Here's an article from CNN from 6 years ago:
"Chinese Uyghurs forced to welcome Communist Party into their homes: Government statements and state media reports show that families are required to provide detailed information during the visits on their personal lives and political views. They are also subject to “political education” from the live-in officials– whose stays are mandated to be at least one week per month in some locations."
"In numerous photos posted online, the authorities paint a picture of ethnic unity, showing smiling Han officials and minority families jointly preparing meals, doing household chores, playing sports and even sharing the same bed – images that Human Rights Watch’s Wang says put the “forced intimacy” element of the program on full display. "
"A local government statement online also indicated that officials must inspect the homes they are staying for any religious elements or logos – and instructed the officials to confiscate any such items found in the house."
"“The real intention of the Chinese government is to eliminate the Uyghurs as a distinct ethnic group,” Rebiya Kadeer, a longtime exiled Uyghur leader who recently stepped down as president of the advocacy group World Uyghur Congress, told CNN in an interview in Washington last year."
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I see. Thanks for that, I'll have to re-evaluate.