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Denmark’s Defense Intelligence Service warns that Russia could launch a large-scale war in Europe within five years if NATO appears weak or divided, especially if the U.S. does not intervene.

The report outlines a timeline where Russia could attack a neighboring country within six months, escalate to a regional Baltic conflict in two years, and potentially engage NATO-wide by 2029.

The assessment comes as Trump pressures NATO members to increase defense spending and has suggested the U.S. might not defend allies who fail to meet financial commitments.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago (5 children)

With what? They can't even handle war in Ukraine and they run out of plenty of hardware.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I do not have an English translation but in this interview a lieutenant general of the German Bundeswehr says that they are observing that not all new supplies are being pushed to the Ukrainian front lines and instead new stockpiles are being created.

My personal expectation is that Putin will attempt one more push in Ukraine once mud season is over, take what he can get and then agree to another peace deal (Minsk 3 anyone?). He will then take some time to restructure and reinforce the military before again "coming to the aid of suppressed Russian minorities", this time in places like Georgia, Moldova or Armenia. Ukraine is off the table because they will use the time to reinforce as well.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Could be, who knows. Though the countries listed are not part of NATO and are weak. And at least in Moldova it's not easy as Russia doesn't border it and for Armenia they have to go through Georgia first.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Though the countries listed are not part of NATO and are weak.

Perfect to get the collective confidence back on its feed after getting a literal bloody nose in Ukraine.

for Armenia they have to go through Georgia first

Two for the price of one. That's a bargain!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, if they could foresee the consequences of their own actions, the war in Ukraine wouldn't even have started

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

TBH it's still early for evaluating consequences - it might still prove beneficial for Russia, especially with orange in chief.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Anything less than total victory will lead to economic collapse for Russia and at this point it's pretty much impossible even with Trump in office. They are cooked in any case.

[–] freebee 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They wasted hundreds of thousands in the meat grinder... The final outcome would have to be absolutely massive in favour of Russia for it to still be beneficial. Unlikely.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Depends on the perspective. To Putin it's not a problem, for him people are expandable and cheap. You just write some laws and they grow again in his view. As the land grab is forever. Your and mine views are non-dictatorish and as such don't apply to Russian imperialism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hey, it's just a quick special military operation to Kyiv, in and out in three days! Surely nothing can go wrong.

IIRC there was talk after it went south that the yes-men around Putin had made him believe that not only would Ukraine not fight back, but the people would join the Russian troops in celebration for being "liberated" and help them, and that's why they didn't even think that failure was a possibility.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'd laugh at you if this was 2024. Today? I'm uncomfortable with such statements.

[–] Habahnow 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The new Axis powers of Russia, China, North Korea and U.S.A against the European powers. 10 years ago that would seem ridiculous, now, not too far fetched.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

USA's secretary of defense is already saying that Ukraine should let go of the occupied territories, will not be allowed in NATO and will not get any security guarantees. Basically saying to let Russia win and opening the door for more invasions by Russia.

[–] Corkyskog 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well most of the rare earth materials Trump wants are in Russian occupied territory, or on the border of it.

[–] Habahnow 2 points 1 week ago

yeah, that's the only positive aspect, there may actually be a reason for conservatives to push for defending ukraine and regaining their land.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

The new Axis powers of Russia, China, North Korea and U.S.A against the European powers.

Considering sherlock holme's famous statement "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

So then, yes; though one can hope.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, but won't Trump be busy with the Great War on Greenland, Panama and Canada?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wouldn't put it past Trump to make a deal with Putin so that he gets Greenland and can mine the fuck out of it's untapped mineral resources.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not sure how Greenland is Putin's to give. Denmark has a military and Greenlanders wouldn't just sit back and let themselves be annexed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Oh sorry, I meant more like allying with Putin's side if war breaks out for the potential of getting Greenland.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If they capture Ukraine, they will have a fresh pool of conscripts, not to mention Ukraine’s impressive military technology.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good point. Ukrainians doesn't have that much of weapons and are heavily reliant on west. Except for drones, but at least some major parts are bought from other countries. But yes, it would increase Russian military to some extent, though I doubt Ukrainians would be good Russian soldiers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ukrainian conscripts will have a line of known-loyal barrier troops behind them with orders to shoot them if they fail to obey. Old Russian Army tactic.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, sure, but that still doesn't make them good soldiers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

russians aren't known for utilizing good soldiers anyway. they are known for utilizing meat shields, though

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

And a never ending insurgency?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

those people aren't going to join the russian army willingly.

The country will resemble european afghanistan. it will be one of the bloodiest insurgencies in history.

the only reason a Ukrainian would willingly join the russian army is because he's either a mentally handicapped traitor. or he's furious at how the West betrayed and used his country like a pawn.

[–] atzanteol 3 points 1 week ago

The agency offers three scenarios that could occur if the Ukraine conflict stops or becomes frozen, working from the assumption that Russia does not have the capacity to wage war with multiple countries at the same time.