I hate how “anti-war” has been hijacked by these people to mean, let imperialist countries invade whoever they want with no consequences. (in the case of tankies, any imperialist country that isn’t in NATO).
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The idea of Ukraine joining NATO was literally unimaginable before Russian aggression. After the fall of the soviet union there were multiple agreements like the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine and Budapest Memorandum that basically established Ukraine as a sovereign and neutral nation under the protection of the west and east. Even after Russian interventions in Ukraine and finally the taking of Crimea, NATO members like Germany were still vocal about never letting Ukraine in.
Also if Russia truly cared about NATO expansion, how come we barely hear anything about Finland and Sweeden? I occasionally even forget they're a part of it now.
In the case of Finland, it's because they kicked Russia's ass last time and they would do it again.
They just have to announce that they've cloned Simo Häyhä and Russia won't even look at them sideways.
We lost, both times.
I sometimes think that it was exactly because they expected things to go as they did. If they let Ukraine in, they would need to ~~weasel out of helping~~ help, after all
And you surely don't have an agenda.
That's why you come here with lies lmao
UHC is cheaper than the current US healthcare system. You can literally have both.
Funding for Ukraine isn't holding up UHC. Bad politicians are.
Not sure punishing Ukrainians who are being raped and murdered in their own homes forces their hand in any way whatsoever. Seems like the least efficient way to do it.
Republicans spent significant efforts trying to prove shady business interests of the Bidens in Ukraine and never managed to find jack shit that ever seemed improper.
The US acts in its own interests. Countering Russian imperialism is part of that. They're not helping Ukraine out of pure good will, sure, but in this case US interests do align with doing the right thing.
I think you need to learn how the Military-Industrial Complex works, because if weapons aren't going to Ukraine, and it sounds like they won't, you still won't get your socialized medicine. Especially not in an oligarchical fascist dictatorship.
What are you doing to get "we the people" to do that other than arguing on the internet?
You one post ago:
You now:
Which is it?
Fair, but it misses the trees for the forest. The US already pays WAY more for healthcare than any other country. The money is literally there, just mismanaged. While I feel your frustration, simply cutting aid to allied countries won't change anything domestically.
Really? You're going to complain about one country's genocide and justify another in the same sentence? At least be consistent
Okay so DO something about YOUR healthcare then.
Citation needed.
The Ukranian constitution has no amendments even mentioning NATO.
And Zelenky demanding nuclear weapons is a recent development. So not "tried" but "trying right now". Not even the Russians claimed such prior.
And I don't watch MSNBC or whatever else "msm" is supposed to be. Bold of you to assume I not only watch American news, but also a specific broadcaster. That's got to be like a less than 50% chance.
MSM is mainstream media rather than a broadcaster. I actually hear it a lot from conservatives who are somehow convinced that Fox News isn't mainstream media despite being the USA's most watched network.
Everyone knows that's how becoming a NATO member works!
The EU works that way too! You tell them you want to join, make it super official that you pretty please want to join, and then you're in!