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Obama was a unique situation in that he was both an incredibly charismatic JFK-style figure and ran after the Republicans had managed to both start a very unpopular war and destroy the world economy.
Barack Obama also never released a campaign ad that said "Hey white dudes, we only think some of you suck."
You mind linking me to that ad?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OJbIMF8dTVA&pp=ygUQaGFycmlzIG1lbidzIGFkZA%3D%3D
Idk, as a white guy, that's more cringe than offensive. Maybe that's because I live in the South and can pass for a redneck, but I hear some vile shit from those other white guys fairly often.
Offensive isn't quite the word for it.
The part that bothers me is that the DNC couldn't put together genuine sounding messaging to men when American democracy itself hung in the balance. Dooming my nation because they absolutely couldn't bring themselves to drop the identity politics is a transgression I don't think I can ever forgive.
"hey white dudes! .....no not you...the other white dudes."
2024 was the last time I'll ever vote for a Democrat, especially given how I'm being spoken to for doing it.
I'm done voting for the side that calls me their enemy no matter what I do. I'm done going out of my way for people who hate me. I'm done doing "the right thing" for people who are offended at the idea of expressing gratitude. It's been this way my entire adult life and I've got a belly full.
"Hey, you're going to need the support of white men to win this election, so you should probably address their concerns in good faith here." Nope. That wasn't acceptable to the Left. The people who said that got shouted down. A couple ads like the one linked below plus others got made that were very obviously designed to conform to feminist attitudes toward men first and demand of men second. They did indeed recognize that they needed my vote, but weren't willing to try seeing eye to eye with me at all. Saving the nation from fascism and preserving their own rights, freedoms and lives in the process wasn't a good enough reason to speak to people like me with respect. And now they can burn for it. And they're going to blame me for it, just like they've blamed me for everything their entire lives.
Piss into the wind some more there, bud.
You're trying so very hard not to actually listen to me. Just like the Democrats.
And that is why I shall no longer vote Democrat.
Cool, lets fight authoritarianism by only letting people vote and be part of one party. That will sure to work out, not like this concept failed not 2 days ago or anything.....
Ok you are upset because you think someone voted for one of only two parties counter to your "VERY easy choice" and that would leave only one option. That would mean a single "correct" way to vote, the same stance the Dems took in 2016, 2020 and 2024.
Lets walk though this, You are getting upset that when people talk about voters of a demographic not feeling represented by one of only two parties someone steps up to give their own personal example. The same party that just lost to what is clearly a fascist due in part to not getting the vote of above demographic. You instead start slinging shit to someone for even thinking about not voting "the right way" (see above how they say "2024 was the last time I will ever vote for a democrat") by laughably calling them a snowflake or a reactionary idiot (I guess this could also be me) instead of even pretending to read what you are replying to.
Neither myself (not from the USA) or the person above voted for Trump. The point I am pressing here is that the person who is getting their "special little feels get squishy… boo hoo..." seems to be you. You are advocating what? Shut up and take my guilt? Feel bad about living in a nation that given a choice between the status quo and fascism chose fascism chose fascism?
Greater good or lesser evil?
Yeahhhhh, once again the people you are slinging mud at did not vote for Trump. And please think about calling other people selfish assholes because they did not do as you did for the next (if there is one) election, it might help.
Yes, this we agree on. To bad we think its different people who refuse to learn. After all you want people to do the same thing (swallowing pride and voting Dems) every 4 years over and over. It was not about being "grateful" it was and is about treating people like pre-villans and then getting mad when they don't support your cause.
But hey, if you want to alienate people, go right on ahead and turn on your former allies. I am sure it will never come up that you might need 15 million or so of them.
I can swear all I want, but you will not catch me calling someone "TOXIC" for not agreeing with me.
Glad you can see you can be an ass, just wanted to point out the guy you where arguing against is also a pissed off voter in the same place you are in right now. And you can blame the voters all you want but this is very much the democrats and republicans (the greens really did nothing) show. Working towards not having a fascist in power is a better use of your time (the all be it sloppy, point of the other guys comments) then getting mad at people like you.
My dood, it is a two party system. There was never really a choice (like you said a VERY easy one). You got to ether vote for the ruling party or a fascist. I don't think anyone needed to be very informed. Local elections? oh research the hell out of those, at the national level? in the states? There was never really an option. Just at this point people picked the non option.
No US voter had the "ultimate" power to change anything, just two things to pick between. In this case they picked to tear it all down in a weird fascist way.
Its a shit situation all around in this case. People are angry, and not without reason. I do hope that we can learn from it and earn a better place in the world, but I am also a pessimist so I too will get angry and likely not be helpful.
I don't see the words of an asshole, just a frustrated voter who taking the blame for something they voted to stop. If you read the quote you used you can see that they are calling out the problem they think cost the Dems the election, namely treating people like them with respect. They like anyone else expects to be treated with a bit of respect, and your response is to what? Prove them justified?
But you clearly do. I am not saying both sides are terrible (not sure why you are imagining the other half of a conversation), I am saying the US is in this mess partly due to this toxic bullshit about "Men are a problem, men should do better, and they should do it because they are good, not because they deserve it, or they want thanks."
There is only so much you can expect any demographic to do counter to their own interests before they do what you see above, give up and say fuck it. You are now going to double down and place blame on (lets see if I remember this right) frustrated reluctant Harris voters?
DO YOU WANT TO BE GOVERNED BY A FASCIST? BECAUSE THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT. (did it)
Don't like those ads? Should've stopped proving them right. We will go to the grave blaming you and your ilk now
Weird hill to die on
I'm envisioning a pit, rather than a hill? Probably full of quicklime?
Those nakedly misandrist ads were brought to my attention after I cast my ballot.
I've never voted for a Republican in my life, but the Democrats will have to actually earn my vote if they ever run a candidate again, they may no longer expect me.
Blame me as much as you want, you're going to anyway. I'm the bad guy even when voting your way so what'sthe point? Those who cannot bring themselves to speak to me with respect to literally save their lives can die as mad as they want.
I take it you dont much care WHY misandey is on the rise
Not even a little.
"Look what you made me do!" just dripping...
Maybe work on having some established personal principles and some backbone? Maybe less wielding your vote as a little golden cudgel over people's heads? Why the fuck does your vote for a complex full administration of people including court appointees that will serve long terms as they all pursue at least four years worth of basic, roll up the sleeves and work day to day policy, all hinge on one targeted ad that hurts your feefees?
And studies have shown that people who casually drop the word "misandrist" have videos from matt walsh and nick fuentes in their YouTube watch history arguing that the age of consent is too high.
See what I mean?
I'm going to get screamed at like I'm the bad guy ANYWAY. There is no winning to be done here. I'm not voting for a party that is pro woman ever again. I'm done voting against my own interests for people who hate me. It's all I've done my entire adult life. No more.
"I'm done voting against my own interests" [votes republican]
Showing your ass there, bud.
And you haven't had an "entire adult life". Judging by the way you speak, you're either a 14 year old boy or you're not even in America.
"I was totally gonna not be a piece of shit, too. You blew it everyone! You could have had ME on your side."