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[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 months ago (2 children)

US President Joe Biden has said he is "absolutely, positively" urging Israel to stop firing at UN peacekeepers during its conflict with Hezbollah in Lebanon, following two incidents in 48 hours. Source

Some hours later: Biden absolutely, positively sends troops to help Israel out. WTF...

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To support UN peacekeepers, right?

... right?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

"absolutely, positively"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Wtf is going on in this comments section? They are sending an anti air battery to protect them against rocket fire, but the bulk of the comments are acting like they are sending in troops to go in on the ground into Gaza/Lebanon.

Does really noone even bother to read the article?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I am not a US citizen. My point is not that US troops are being deployed, but that this is a war of aggression that contradicts international law. The US should not support this - not in any way.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I agree that they shouldn't be supporting it. But we're talking about defending a country against missile attacks, not violating some potential ceasefire by launching missiles for Israel.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They're enabling Israel's aggression by providing military support, even defensive support. Not to mention adding US troops to the area increases chances some will get killed or injured, providing an excuse to enter the conflict even more.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago

I was responding to someone who claimed that by sending tools to stop weapons from killing people, Biden is violating his call for a ceasefire.

You can disagree with this, but claiming it's aggressive is just blatantly false.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The thing is that Israel was never attacked in a military sense. It was a terrible terrorist attack, that much is true. Israel retaliated - not only against those responsible, but above all against the Palestinian civilian population. The number of victims is simply disproportionate: the attack on October 7, 2023 claimed 1,200 lives; Israel has now killed more than 40,000 Palestinians (this is a conservative estimate). There is no longer any danger for Israel - and in terms of its military superiority, there hasn't been any for the last 20 years. Lebanon is only marginally involved in all this. Hezbollah is not Hamas. I don't want to go too far with all the his. It's simple: what Israel is doing is wrong on any moral scale. Anyone who doesn't see that is grossly misinformed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Zios are in danger as long as the rightful inheritors of the stolen land are alive.

That's the whole point of their genocide.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Noone is defending Israel's invasion here. Your top level comment implied that Biden is violating his own call to a ceasefire by sending these troops in ..when they are a defensive unit. No missile attacks, no need to use the defensive battery.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

What do you want me to say? With a view to the US election campaign, I'm glad to say: Vote for Harris/Walz! The apparent alternative Trump/Vance would be much worse even in this matter. I have no problem to say that because it's true. That does not mean that you are fighting a just cause here - on the contrary. It just means that your political system is in shambles and that your moral compass if way off.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What do you want me to say?

What I would love is for people to read the article and then objectively think about it for a second, rather than just knee-jerk respond to the headline in a way that confirms what they already believe to be true, seemingly regardless of what is actually happening.

All I did was correct the misinformation you were spreading. There are plenty of valid reason to criticize the Biden admin over, no need to make ones up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What misinformation? I said: Biden said he "criticizes" Israels attacks on UN peacekeepers and - still - he sends additional troops to Israel just a few day later. These are just facts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You frame it as some contradiction, which it is clearly not.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

I did not frame this at all. I just quoted Biden and said that in the light of this quote from just a few days ago I couldn't understand ("WTF") why he is sending additional troops. Please don't pin this on me. I get that you are trying to fight the good fight here (I agree that it would be awful for the whole world if Trump would win). I'm just saying that this is a bad move by Biden because deploying even more troops in support of Israel is not just morally wrong (that was my point as an observer from europe) it's also very bad PR - that's what I think at least, because I think the majority of sane Us-citizenens don't want to have any part in the inhumane actions of the Israeli Government.

[–] where_am_i 1 points 2 months ago

Lemmy is too obsessed with elections and swallowed the bait. Seeing everyone's reaction I did.

Luckily I've looked a bit further down the thread to find something not about elections, and saw this comment.

The title is hella misleading and clickbait. We should restrict people from posting such BS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

This emboldens the bully Israel. Now they know that no matter who they pick on, they will never feel any real counter-attacks because the US will stop them all. This encourages them to continue their attacks and to pick new fights because there will never be any consequences. If Biden wants to encourage Netanyahu to stop his wars of aggression, he needs to make Israel second guess their attacks.

This move absolutely counters his message for a ceasefire. This will embolden them to keep fighting.