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There's plenty of non-religious people who identify as Jewish, yes.
right. but the question was: according to secular jews, "Jewish" = "race"?
If not race, then what?
you can convert to judaism and literally become jewish, even though you weren't born into a jewish family. setting aside all the shit going on in politics right now, you cannot "decide" to become a different race
"Jewish" can describe race, ethnicity, culture, nationality, religion, or any combination of the above, depending on who's using the word and in what context.
in what context is jewish a race?
Since you seem to be hung on semantics, perhaps a definition is in order:
To the extent that "race" is even a real thing (I'm of the opinion that it's not a useful or productive way to categorize people), many people do classify themselves and others using that terminology, for good or ill. It would generally be in the context of biological heritage ("bloodlines," ew).
I wonder if @[email protected] would have something to add here.
I would personally prefer the word 'ethnicity' to 'race.' As far as I'm concerned, if you want to associate me with a race, it would be white. The problem is that a lot of white people don't see it that way. See Elon Musk saying "you have said the actual truth" to the guy who said that Jews were oppressing white people. But I'm not going to let those people get their way. I'm white.
I have all of the same privileges that come with being white in America that every other white person has and I share in the shameful responsibility white people need to take for racism, both institutional and personal. I really don't want to say I don't benefit from that unfairness or share that burden because that wouldn't be true.
So the terminally online could be considered a race with a certain perspective. Interesting.
(I don’t say this to diminish or reject the definition. I just find it interesting to think about.)
Though maybe as others point out, it might be an ethnicity?
really, it comes down to usage. science may not be able to pin down a "scientific" definition, and it absolutely is a construct--but isn't everything that isn't defined by a mathematical formula a "construct"?
so if we're stuck with using terms like "race" whether they're "real things" or not, then i think it's important to distinguish how they're used. i will not agree that "jewish" is a race in the same way that "african american" is a race, because although both groups face oppression, one of them is a choice, and the other isn't
though it has to be said, that according to judaism, if your mother is a jew, then you are too, whether you want to be or not. i call bullshit on that
hi @[email protected] !
Hello!
Only religious Judaism. Many Jews consider someone a Jew if they only have a Jewish father. Such as in the case of my daughter. I've yet to have anyone claim she isn't Jewish. I'm sure some Orthodox asshole would, but he'd say I wasn't Jewish either because I married a "shiksa," so...
gotta love those pesky socially constructed rules and regulations...
ethnic group